re: Who was LSU's last "freak" (athlete)?

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I would go with the "rare super athlete" bit.

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there are lots of 230 lb guys who run 4.65s

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and 2 of those are the most physically demanding (CB and PR)

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so what, what was his 40?

thats all that matters

Clayton played 3 positions at LSU, if u are counting PR. and could have played basketball as well. Spears played 2 positions, and could have played basketball.


is that not as impressive as Cassanova?

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i haven't really changed it. i've posted like 10-15 guys

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dude, you set the precedent by mentioning Cassanova as someone who was athletic enough to play 5 positions on the football field.

is this hard to follow?

You said he was a great athlete because of WHAT HE DID ON THE FIELD.


and in the next breath you start spouting off great athletes who had combine #'s, and even praise the great Steven Korte.


you cant see the difference in that?


Cassanova= great athlete by what he did on the field

Korte= great athlete because of his great workout. Didnt play a meaningful play at LSU

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Clayton played 3 positions at LSU, if u are counting PR

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he played CB for 1 half of 1 game and was toast vs the legend

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Spears played 2 positions, and could have played basketball.

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not at the same time. he started at TE and moved to DE where he played for 3.5 years

spears was 6-3. he wasn't goin to play basketball for a major program.

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You said he was a great athlete because of WHAT HE DID ON THE FIELD.

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i had to assume he was an amazing athlete to get the publicity he did and play CB at an effective level

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Cassanova= great athlete by what he did on the field

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it's an estimation based on where he played

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i had to assume he was an amazing athlete to get the publicity he did and play CB at an effective level

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and what if he only ran a 4.6?

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and 2 of those are the most physically demanding (CB and PR)

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And yet you've caveated other guys playing CB with

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we've had CBs play for LSU who ran 4.65s recently

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Obviously the ability to thrive at multiple physically demanding positions is not a qualifier (Davis and Faulk at RB and KR/PR; Webster at WR and CB; Jones at Safety, CB and P; etc.).

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the criteria is not some set group of #s. you will have different matrices for a 200 lb guy compared to a 250 lb guy compared to a 290 lb guy

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That is a set group of numbers. A 200 pound guy has to have A, B and C; a 225 pound guy has to have X, Y and Z; with no flexibility for being super freakish in one area and just barely un-freakish in another area, or flexibility for immeasurables (or even measurables not measured by the combine). That's set numbers.

HOKIE G. WAS A FREAK! the guy was once said to have squated close to 1500lbs

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I think this is one of those threads where SFP doesn't properly define his terms, has already made up his mind, and just shoots down everyone's suggestions for 6+ pages.

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Excellent prediction. OK, it was obvious because that is the standard SFP thread, but you were the first to make the call.

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i had to assume he was an amazing athlete to get the publicity he did and play CB at an effective level

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He was an amazing athlete (maybe still is). But the definition of "freak" you are using has nothing to do with the kind of amazing athleticism it takes to get publicity and play CB at an effective level. You even specifically dismissed playing CB as a qualifier because CBs are "slow" at LSU (despite being All-Americans and playing in the NFL, apparently they weren't "athletic").

are we all tiger fans here? im guessing we have forgotten about joe addai?

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then he wasn't a freak athlete

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That's funny. So a guy who's 202 pounds, has a 65 inch vertical, benches 50 reps of 550#s, broad jumps 19 feet, runs a 1.15 second 10 yard dash, wouldn't be a "freak" athlete because he only ran a 4.6 40.