re: Who was LSU's last "freak" (athlete)?

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ronnie brown (4.37 at 235)
pat willis (4.38 at 245+)
DMac (4.27 at 217)
mario williams (4.66 at 290 and strong as frick)

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Not a sub-4.4. time, but I guess the requirements at 290 are somewhere above 4.66?

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travis williams (4.8 at 300 lbs and like 40 reps)

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and above 4.8 at 300?

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andre johnson (4.28 at 230)
jevon kearse (4.45 at 255 and like the 2nd best 10-yard dash ever)
vernon davis
darius heyward-bey
antonio cromartie
eddie simms

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And all those guys had

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(18-20+ reps of 225)

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and

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vertical over 35"

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and

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broad over 10-0

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and were "quick" as well?

Btw, your knowledge of combine stats is truly astounding. And impressive.

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is there a database with historical combine results?

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no

i have my head and there are some listings online from pro day results here or there. ones from 2005 and earlier are unreliable

I'll weigh in, good post.

Faulk, was approximately 5 ft 7 or 5 ft 8 in my estimation. I don't know about his speed, but he was a game changer.

This may surprise some, but I will throw in Hester as a freak by virtue of not appearing to be a freak and being a game changer. 1000 yards rushing puts him in a small group among SEC backs, and even smaller among LSU backs. I don't know that I ever someone more capable of banging out positive yards. Also, wasn't he crazy strong?

Finally, I did not see the one person I would select as freak because of his ability to overcome his size--Josh Reed. I had a class with him and I would say 5 ft 9 or so. Don't know about his other measurables. The dude was off the hook in space.

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i gave a generic response to the middle-tier of freak (the 230-250 lb range)

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but I will throw in Hester as a freak by virtue of not appearing to be a freak

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oh lawdy SFP is gonna have a field day with this

Spears

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this is a thread about athleticism, not play on the field. i don't see how this is a hard concept to understand

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you mentioned Casanova, and all you knew about him was that he played 3 different positions. ON THE FIELD.

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i don't see how this is a hard concept to understand

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obviously it is, you keep changing the criteria


you think Casanova was any better of an athlete than Spears or Michael Clayton, both of whom you dismissed as being great athletes?

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there is no hole that you can attempt to get me in when i made it clear from the beginning that the range of player made any 1 criteria far too hard

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I seriously DOUBT you have been in any holes lately.

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and all you knew about him was that he played 3 different positions. ON THE FIELD

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and 2 of those are the most physically demanding (CB and PR)

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obviously it is, you keep changing the criteria

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i haven't really changed it. i've posted like 10-15 guys

the criteria is not some set group of #s. you will have different matrices for a 200 lb guy compared to a 250 lb guy compared to a 290 lb guy

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you think Casanova was any better of an athlete than Spears or Michael Clayton

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well it's obviously for his era

but it wouldn't shock me to find out cassanova didn't have the same speed/quickness/jumping of clayton 20 years earlier than clayton. dwayne bowe was a better athlete than clayton and lafell may be better than both of them