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re: Who was LSU's last "freak" (athlete)?
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:21 pm to DonnyBravo
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:21 pm to DonnyBravo
Adrian Mayes was a pretty freakish athlete.
Didnt do it on the field unfortunately, but he was a hell of an athlete
Didnt do it on the field unfortunately, but he was a hell of an athlete
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Those that actually have competed with athletes know that there are many other factors.
this
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:26 pm to ddfender
I never thought SFP would start a shittier thread than his numerous "Rate this Facebook/Myspace Slut" threads.
He always surprises me though.
He always surprises me though.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
I can read, and I did read, and I quoted you... YOU said you're trying to teach a lesson. And that is very apparent with the way you picked on other people's legitimate picks for "freak" (or exceptional... whatever) athletes, and you decided it was most convenient to define "football" athleticism in track terms. How about Xavier Carter-- world class combine measurables... less than world class vision and judgment (esp. regarding the location of the goal line). If you had to pick Laron or Xavier to be on your pickup team, who are you going to pick... regardless of position? I would go with Laron due to his exceptional... some might say "freakish" athleticism. Would you pick Bennie Brazell over Dwayne Bowe? You do know Bennie is faster, right? But that's not the whole picture.
And I looked at a few definitions of athlete/athleticism before I dared to post in contradiction to you. They all generally define it as skill in exercise/in a sport, not how high you jump if you weigh 220 vs. 250 lbs, or how fast your 40 time is. Somehow Merriam Webster has missed out on your greatness and definitive knowledge, too, just as us ignoramuses have. You might want to let them know so they can update the dictionary... that is if you can pry yourself off of TD long enough.
And I looked at a few definitions of athlete/athleticism before I dared to post in contradiction to you. They all generally define it as skill in exercise/in a sport, not how high you jump if you weigh 220 vs. 250 lbs, or how fast your 40 time is. Somehow Merriam Webster has missed out on your greatness and definitive knowledge, too, just as us ignoramuses have. You might want to let them know so they can update the dictionary... that is if you can pry yourself off of TD long enough.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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quick feet will show in your speed and agility/quickness
If this was true, Barry Sanders would have been faster than Usain Bolt.
Straight line speed does not translate to cutting speed.
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vision is a skill
So, I guess great vision can be taught??? I don't think there is any evidence that backs up that claim. That back you like so well at LSU has not "learned" to have great vision for a good reason...it cannot be taught. Some players just have the gift of seeing things faster than the rest of us. It is possible for a player to learn to see holes better because they learn how a play will develop by study...but natural vision is a gift that only a few have.
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hand eye coordination is a skill
Please...if so, anyone could be taught to be a 300 hitter, or be a great golfer, etc. Elite hand-eye-coordination is not taught...it just is.
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body control plays into balance, which is part of athleticism
Finally something we can agree on. Elite athletes all have this quality
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difference in athlete and player they do not mean the same thing, at least in this conversation
Well, I believe this conversation was about freek football athletes. I assumed that you actually had to be a great football player to qualify...maybe a mistake on my part.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:33 pm to epbart
sweet post.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:36 pm to Tiger4Ever
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I never thought SFP would start a shittier thread than his numerous "Rate this Facebook/Myspace Slut" threads.
it's a legit thread
it's not my fault that LSU doesn't sign/develop many freak athletes
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not my fault that LSU doesn't sign/develop many freak athletes
how many of these exist? I mean how many come out of high school per year, or how many enter the NFL draft, or how many are in the NFL. Just to get an idea of their scarcity
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not my fault that LSU doesn't sign/develop many freak athletes
So, you can develop a freak athlete?
LSU has tow National titles in the decade, and have recruited better than everyone except for maybe USC and Texas, and you are not satisfied with the athletes we are recruiting?
I guess you would be happier if we had signed Usain Bolt, who is clearly a freak athlete...but probably cannot play football.
I know it is unlikely to happen, but maybe it is time for you to admit you don't know everything.
This post was edited on 8/9/09 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Marcus Spears was very athletic for his size.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:41 pm to epbart
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I can read, and I did read, and I quoted you... YOU said you're trying to teach a lesson.
no i didn't you moron
read the entire quote
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most smart people know if i'm tryin to teach a lesson. the rantards don't, but that's part of the process
this was an honest question
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And I looked at a few definitions of athlete/athleticism before I dared to post in contradiction to you. They all generally define it as skill in exercise/in a sport,
that's wrong, especially for this thread
athleticism = physical ability
how "athletic" you are doesn't mean "how skilled are you?" or "how good of a player are you?"
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:44 pm to Housplants
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If this was true, Barry Sanders would have been faster than Usain Bolt.
usain bolt has quick feet for a 6-5 guy and that's why he's so fast as a sprinter
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Straight line speed does not translate to cutting speed.
which is where agility comes into play and balance to a lesser extent
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So, I guess great vision can be taught?
yes
see: ronnie brown
hell just watch JJ develop as a runner
and there are some innate runners. travis henry was a good example. small, short, not fast, but he was a natural runner
that's not physical ability. that's mental shite and doesn't belong in this debate
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Well, I believe this conversation was about freek football athletes. I assumed that you actually had to be a great football player to qualify...maybe a mistake on my part.
very mistaken on your part
if i wanted to know who the best PLAYER of all time was, i would have asked who the best PLAYER of all tiem was
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:45 pm to Housplants
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So, you can develop a freak athlete?
you can take a freak and develop them correctly
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and you are not satisfied with the athletes we are recruiting?
who said this?
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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athleticism = physical ability
40 time
vertical
bench reps
These are all skills to some extent. You do have to learn how to perform these activities to give your maximum performance
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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athleticism = physical ability how "athletic" you are doesn't mean "how skilled are you?" or "how good of a player are you?"
You will go a long way to avoid realizing you are wrong. Being a great athlete means that you excel at sports.
In my opinion, Bo Jackson is the greatest athlete that I have ever seen...not because he was fast and strong, but because he excelled at football and baseball...not just because he fast strong and fast, but because he was one of the best players on the field in both sports, every time he suited up.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trindon Holliday
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
According to your definitions, what separates a freak athlete from a workout warrior?
If its performance on the field, I ask you...Korte had great performance on the field?
Yes, I'm playing along.
If its performance on the field, I ask you...Korte had great performance on the field?
Yes, I'm playing along.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:52 pm to Housplants
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You will go a long way to avoid realizing you are wrong.
so when you're talking with your friends, when you say, "man that kid is athletic," you are saying, "man that is a good player?"
that's retarded
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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very mistaken on your part if i wanted to know who the best PLAYER of all time was, i would have asked who the best PLAYER of all tiem was
The best player is not always the best athlete...just ask Tom Brady.
So, you are once again avoiding your incorrectness.
If a person has great measureables (speed and strength), but is not a good player of sports, I do not classify them as a great athlete.
If you do, then your definition of athlete needs some examination.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 4:53 pm to truthbetold
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According to your definitions, what separates a freak athlete from a workout warrior?
nothing, b/c guys with great workouts are almost always great athletes
even if you mean "workout warrior" as in shitty player, that still doesn't take away from their athleticism
but what separates being a great athlete and a great player involves a lot of factors
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