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Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:50 pm to strumpedup89
jacob hester
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:50 pm to strumpedup89
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:50 pm to Lester Earl
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You shouldn't have brought his name into it at all if you are going to go on a combine numbers
i'm going based on (1) positions and (2) reputation
it's not about his play on the field at all
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you dont even know if he dominated every position.
the fact that he got consistent PT and did well at CB and PR is a good sign he was a better athlete than his competition. the fact that he could switch to play other positions with different athletic requirements speaks a bit about his athleticism.
and from what i know about cassanova, he played these positions consistently. it wasn't a couple games
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
But I've rejected your assumption that combine measureables is what defines an athlete as freakish. I completely and totally disagree with the idea that combine numbers is what defines freakish numbers. And the Cassanova example you used to start the thread shows that your basic assumption is wrong.
So why not Spears? He played defensive end and tight end, a fairly rare combo. He was also all-state in high school at both offense and defense, a very rare feat. Oh, that's right, he didn't meet the arbitrary benchmarks you set up designed to exclude him.
So why not Spears? He played defensive end and tight end, a fairly rare combo. He was also all-state in high school at both offense and defense, a very rare feat. Oh, that's right, he didn't meet the arbitrary benchmarks you set up designed to exclude him.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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, he played these positions consistently. it wasn't a couple games
no, wait. His on field play doesnt matter "at all".
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not about his play on the field at all
And you accuse me of being the ranter? Really? We're not supposed to judge athleticism on how people actually played?
Word of advice. First rule of getting out of a hole: stop digging.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Freakishness indicates extreme rarity. Trindon Holliday is an athletic freak because he has an athletic talent that is extremely rare (especially among football players). JaMarcus Russell is an athletic freak because he has an athletic talent that is extremely rare. Several other people are athletic freaks because they have an extremely rare combination of athletic abilities, including some that are not measured at the NFL combine. The fact that you choose to dismiss them as athletic talents simply because the NFL combine organizers have not chosen to measure them is what makes your understanding distorted. Consider this: if they stop using the 40 at the combine, will it still be a measure of athleticism? Will the guys who excelled at it in past combines still be considered to have displayed excellent athleticism?
it takes athleticism to be an athletic freak
i don't think i'm distorting what an athletic freak is by discussing what makes a guy athletic and how we measure it
Posted on 8/9/09 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:But you dismiss others with similar abilities because they didn't have the combine measurables. Since players obviously DON'T need the combine measurables to do what Cassanova did, and you refuse to acknowlege anyone without the combine measurables as athletic, it makes no sense for you to make that assumption regarding Cassanova.
it was an assumption b/c of his dominance at positions that requires major athleticism and ability to shift to positions that requires different athleticism.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:00 pm to Baloo
if you're going to say spears i'm going to say tyson and win
same with clayton-bowe
same with clayton-bowe
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:01 pm to Baloo
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We're not supposed to judge athleticism on how people actually played?
you can be a good player and mediocre athlete
you can be a good athlete and mediocre player
the 2 are completely different things
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
One of the first "Freaks" at LSU.......
Guess who?
FYI some of his NFL records still stand.
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After a knee injury, he retired as league record holder for rushing yards (5860) and rushing touchdowns (69). He also scored three times returning kickoffs, three times on receptions, and twice on punt returns for a total of 77 touchdowns. He was also the first running back to pass 1000 yards in a season twice. A fast, powerful back, he stood 6-1 and weighed 200 pounds, and could run the 100-yard dash in 9.8 seconds.
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1948 NFL Championship game
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His signature game came on December 26, 1948. Playing in a blizzard for the NFL Championship against the Chicago Cardinals, he scored the only touchdown of the game to give the Eagles their first league title. They would win their second crown a year later against the Rams. In that game, he set a league record with 196 yards rushing.
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The greatest irony was that he almost missed the game. Thinking the game wouldn't be played in the blizzard, he remained home until Eagles coach Earle "Greasy" Neale called him and told him the game was still on. He had to catch 3 trolleys and walk 12 blocks in order to make the game on time.
Guess who?
FYI some of his NFL records still stand.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:02 pm to Baloo
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And, to rebut one of your previous statements, I don't think you've ever asked an honest question on this board in your entire post history. You are perhaps the most intellectually dishonest person I have ever encountered, which is quite an accomplishment on the internet, the land of intellectual dishonesty. There's some stiff competition out there.
Dayum Balloo.
That sounds n awful bit like 2004....
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:02 pm to King Joey
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Since players obviously DON'T need the combine measurables to do what Cassanova did
i don't know this has ever been established
mainly b/c we don't know what cassanova's testing was and how it compared to his peers
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm going based on (1) positions and (2) reputation
quote:Ah. So which "reputation" exactly were you basing it on? His repuation for amazing needlepoint? Maybe his rep for sporting the baddest sideburns ever?
it's not about his play on the field at all
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Okay, just to be clear, you are saying that athleticism -- as defined by NFL combine measurables -- and being a football player are two completely different things, right?
you can be a good player and mediocre athlete
you can be a good athlete and mediocre player
the 2 are completely different things
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:06 pm to King Joey
Reputation is important. Just ask him how we should figure out the national champions.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 2:07 pm to King Joey
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you are saying that athleticism -- as defined by NFL combine measurables -- and being a football player are two completely different things, right?
there is overlap b/c you need to be a good athlete to play football, but you can be 1 without the other
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