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re: When Jordan Jefferson is allowed back
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:06 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:06 pm to RobbBobb
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Yes. It is the QBs responsibility to get the ball snapped.
I didn't ask who is responsible for getting the ball snapped...I asked who was responsible for the last play. Or are you only capable of focusing on what happened in the last few seconds?
JJ was sent into the game with ONE play...remember? He ran a dive over the right side and when he didn't get in, popped up and looked to the sidelines for the next play. Who DOES that in that situation?!? Who calls a running play with little time left and DOESN'T call a second play in case the first one doesn't work?!?
So he's standing there staring at the sidelines as times rolls off the clock...and rolls off the clock...and rolls off the clock. FINALLY this huge substitution package comes in that requires guys to get set...JJ has no time to look up and thankfully T-Bob snapped it before time ran out.
So yes...that clusterfrick of a play was ENTIRELY on Miles and staff...much the same way most of the shite JL was put into in 2008 lies at their feet as well.
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The problem now is we are so accustomed to such abysmal QB play, that we begin assigning blame to anyone else.
I assign blame to the men responsible for getting the play in with enough time to actually get them off.
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Managing the clock is the QBs sole responsibility when he is on the field. There is a down clock on every play, and a time clock for every qtr. The QB should be VERY familiar with time issues. Not the sideline.
That was not what caused the last play of the TENN game...only an idiot with an agenda would blame the last play on JJ given how horrible that entire thing went down.
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:07 pm to CptBengal
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Are you saying Studwara called the game as acting OC?
Yes.
And Miles called some of plays as par for the course.
Miles, Studwara, and Gonzales formed the game plan.
It's nearly identical to the game plan we've seen so far this season.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:08 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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FINALLY this huge substitution package comes in that requires guys to get set.
And no play was called.
The package was sent in with no play.
There was not a play at the end of Tennessee game.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:10 pm to Antonio Moss
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The package was sent in with no play.
There was not a play at the end of Tennessee game.
everyone's fault but JJ, right?
I mean, lining up behind your guard, and not calling for the snap with no time on the clock is obviously someone else's fault, right?
Must have been that damn Crowten again.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:12 pm to just me
1. The signal caller is responsible for predictable playcalling out of package-based offenses?
Yes, as often as they are quoted, the coaches have said the offense was simplified for JJ. Simplification is very predictable
2. The signal caller is responsible for the return of the play action pass?
JJ ran 123 times, no one was biting on the fake hand-off.
3. The signal caller is responsible for having little or no time after breaking the huddle?
Yes, when you cant remember the plays and you constantly have to look at your wrist, then time keeps on ticking
4. The signal caller is responsible for the end of the Tennessee game?
Answered above
5. The signal caller is responsible for mass substitution confusion?
When the coach cannot send in more than one play at a time, because the QB cannot comprehend that much, there will be confusion in hurry up scenarios
Yes, as often as they are quoted, the coaches have said the offense was simplified for JJ. Simplification is very predictable
2. The signal caller is responsible for the return of the play action pass?
JJ ran 123 times, no one was biting on the fake hand-off.
3. The signal caller is responsible for having little or no time after breaking the huddle?
Yes, when you cant remember the plays and you constantly have to look at your wrist, then time keeps on ticking
4. The signal caller is responsible for the end of the Tennessee game?
Answered above
5. The signal caller is responsible for mass substitution confusion?
When the coach cannot send in more than one play at a time, because the QB cannot comprehend that much, there will be confusion in hurry up scenarios
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:13 pm to CptBengal
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everyone's fault but JJ, right?
Nope. At that point Jefferson should have just called for the spike (it was only 3rd down). Because of that, I would attribute some small amount of fault to him.
Of course, it doesn't nearly compare to the fault of Crowton and Miles in that debacle.
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I mean, lining up behind your guard, and not calling for the snap with no time on the clock is obviously someone else's fault, right?
See above
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Must have been that damn Crowten again.
It is total acceptable for a seasoned OC to fail to call a play in 30 seconds of winding clock and to attempt a package substitution at the goalline when the clock does not allow for it.
I don't care about your personal disdain for Jefferson. Anyone who tries to excuse the actions of Gary Crowton and Miles in that sequence deserves absolutely zero acknowledgment.
This post was edited on 9/20/11 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:16 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Please join in. I'm happy to school as many of you as will fit in the class.
Youre digging a deep hole on this one.
Okay. One of you has successfully identified what type of sentence the first line is. Yes, it is a question. You get a gold star RobbBobb.
Now, let's examine the question in the context of the remaining lines in the post:
quote:TheDoc's question is general in nature. However, through the use of context, we can see an issue being raised. The issue raised implicitly, if not explicitly, in TheDoc's post is: "Why would Miles bench Lee in favor of Jefferson?"
Why bench someone who has led the team to three wins?
Especially someone that didn't put himself in the same position as JJ.
If miles seriously benches lee for no reason than his pet player isn't going to jail, he'll lose a majority of the fanbase.
TheDoc assumes that Miles would start Jefferson because Jefferson is Miles' pet player. However, anyone with a brain knows that his assumption is, at least probably, not correct.
Thus, the question remains unanswered.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:18 pm to Antonio Moss
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See above
small amount of blame for lining up behind the wrong position and failing to call for the snap.
I agree ALL parties deserve blame, but to minimize the blame for the only party with the ABILITY to act seems absurd.
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It is total acceptable for a seasoned 2 year starter QB to fail to call for the hike with seconds of winding clock and to line up behind the wrong person on the line?
fify.
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don't care about your personal disdain for Jefferson.
I have no interest in the kid personally. I think he is a medicore qb, as the stats bear out and is a turnover machine that is subject to errant passes and cases of the fumbles. His running ability is nothing we should take away touches from our RB's for.
That's not personal disdain. That's being a fan and recognizing the kids limitations on the field through his past performances.
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Anyone who tries to excuse the actions of Gary Crowton and Miles in that sequence deserves absolutely zero acknowledgment.
I said all deserve blame. YOU are the only one who attempts to minimize a particular sides fault. You.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:25 pm to CptBengal
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I said all deserve blame. YOU are the only one who attempts to minimize a particular sides fault.
Right.
Jefferson's culpability in that sequence is no where near the level of Crowton/Miles. It isn't even close.
Hence why I said he deserved some small portion of blame.
This isn't even arguable.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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all word from the staff and players that JJ had stepped up and was looking great.
Are you referring to that mysterious scrimmage where JJ supposedly lit it up, but nobody other than the staff and players witnessed it?
Based on what we saw in the spring game and what the media reported from the scrimmages they were allowed to attend, JJ was his same old self from last year. No major improvement at all.
If Lee starts screwing up or gets hurt, then I'm all for JJ going back in. If not, then you don't fix what's not broken and you don't monkey around with success. Lee needs to feel that the coaches and team are all behind him. If he starts to have doubts, he may try to push himself too hard and implode all over again.
If it were any other coach in major college football making this decision, I wouldn't be worried at all. But we all know that Miles is different.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:26 pm to RobbBobb
quote:You're so full of shite even you can't pretend to believe the tripe you just posted. Did you even watch the Cotton Bowl? Moreover, you failed to even address the package-based offense. FAIL.
1. The signal caller is responsible for predictable playcalling out of package-based offenses?
Yes, as often as they are quoted, the coaches have said the offense was simplified for JJ. Simplification is very predictable
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2. The signal caller is responsible for the return of the play action pass?
JJ ran 123 times, no one was biting on the fake hand-off.
This is really bad. First, play action is a fake to the RB and then a pass. It's not an option play. You don't even seem to grasp the fundamentals of the play. Moreover, Ridley ran 249 times in 2010. FAIL . . . BADLY.
quote:Okay, I see you are just throwing shite at the wall to see what sticks. This answer, it doesn't stick. Notice the time frame of the question. Moreover, Jefferson rarely looked at his wrist. Maybe a half dozen times or so. FAIL
3. The signal caller is responsible for having little or no time after breaking the huddle?
Yes, when you cant remember the plays and you constantly have to look at your wrist, then time keeps on ticking
quote:Now you're just making shite up. How often does a coach send in more than one play at a time during a game. And please provide any evidence at all that more than one play was sent in or that Jefferson could not comprehend it. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL.
5. The signal caller is responsible for mass substitution confusion?
When the coach cannot send in more than one play at a time, because the QB cannot comprehend that much, there will be confusion in hurry up scenarios
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:28 pm to CptBengal
quote:Crowton's fault. There were three seconds on the clock when Hebert snapped the ball.
everyone's fault but JJ, right?
quote:There were three seconds on the clock when Hebert snapped the ball.
not calling for the snap with no time on the clock is obviously someone else's fault, right?
quote:You're learning. Keep it up.
Must have been that damn Crowten again.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:29 pm to Antonio Moss
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Jefferson's culpability in that sequence is no where near the level of Crowton/Miles. It isn't even close.
I agree. It might be moreso. Only JJ can call for the hike to either spike the ball or run the play.
Only JJ. Ultimately everything rested in his hands, and he failed to act. T-Bob had to act for him, in light of JJ's inaction. truly sad.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:31 pm to just me
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There were three seconds on the clock when Hebert snapped the ball.
It was actually 4 seconds.
Jefferson called a QB draw about three second before.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:32 pm to CptBengal
quote:We cannot be absolutely sure that JJ was about to call for the ball before Hebert snapped it to him with four seconds left; however, there is no reason to doubt it.
Only JJ. Ultimately everything rested in his hands, and he failed to act. T-Bob had to act for him, in light of JJ's inaction. truly sad.
This post was edited on 9/20/11 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:32 pm to CptBengal
I'm just going to assume you never actually saw the end of the Tennessee game.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'm just going to assume you never actually saw the end of the Tennessee game.
3rd row, field level 20 yard line, that endzone.
I watched it ALL happen.
I watched JJ waving his arms, I watched him stand there looking around as the ball was hiked.
Play your game somewhere else.
ETA: Where were you?
This post was edited on 9/20/11 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:41 pm to Antonio Moss
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Jefferson called a QB draw about three second before.
but you said there was no playcall?
Posted on 9/20/11 at 3:43 pm to CptBengal
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ETA: Where were you?
North endzone, two rows down from the walkway, between the goal posts.
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