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re: What’s the bigger mistake by Woodward?

Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:06 pm to
This board is going to go nuclear when WW is in the tourney his first year while Scotty is giving a handjob to MM.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66060 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:59 pm to
It’s a flawed theory. They want better recruits while simultaneously saying recruiting rankings don’t matter. They conclude that if you bought McMahon better players than everyone else we would win more but LSU has never and will never out recruit everyone. McMahon’s record vs equal or slightly better talent is historically low so even if we recruit equal to top half level teams, which we have btw, he’s still not going to win consistently enough to achieve even the minimal standard. There’s just no support for this argument.
Posted by LollylovestheTigers
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:07 pm to
Nothing signed yet. If he beats Purdue he can expect other offers
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7797 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:18 pm to
Better players won’t fix McMahon, I 100% agree.

Has it even been established NIL is increasing?

I see people saying we can’t fire McMahon bc of money, while media leaks claim significant NIL investment.

I cannot comprehend a donor declining to put towards a buyout and throwing money onto a historically bad coach .

None of it adds up.

I think it’s more likely than not Woodward planted the NIL stuff after OU win to stave off any serious discussion of firing.

If that’s true, then people claiming a buyout is impossible financially are wrong. Maybe Woodward is telling people it is impossible, while also never seriously probing if it is.

Who knows. It’s all leaks from unnamed people and rumors. Kind of like “firing Wade saved football.”
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:24 pm to
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Has it even been established NIL is increasing?
Nope. Just media puppets.
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I think it’s more likely than not Woodward planted the NIL stuff after OU win to stave off any serious discussion of firing.
Exactly.
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If that’s true, then people claiming a buyout is impossible financially are wrong.
That's Jim - keeping CoachMc is a financial decision. Then we got CP3 running around saying we're going to increase NIL to $8mil. Reading those two posters back to back deserves it's own Charlie Day gif.

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66060 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:28 pm to
It’s alot of spin and BS being thrown around. Since they’ve decided to tell us that they just realized NIL is a thing and we haven’t spent any money but have to in order to not be 3-15, how did we go 9-9 last year with the worst class he’s recruited by far? How much were we spending for that team? Did it decrease this year? How much was spent on the year 1 team? How does it compare to the other 2? How did we land multiple top 15 classes? What’s the mark we need to hit to not be a basement dweller, top 3, number 1 overall? None of it adds up as you said.
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 5:31 pm
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:38 pm to
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Why didn’t we have a bag man? Other schools do, also promises were made to Wade when he was hired that was never fulfilled


Never heard the school itself setting up the bag man. The head coach sets that up. usually a assistant or other staffer to create degrees of separation so the HC has plausible deniability. That is how Self and other coaches avoided penalties. There are ways to play the game and Wade didn't do that and got caught. Why so many of you deny this is insane.

What were these promises that were made to Wade?
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:39 pm to
I say McMahon being hired. I hoped he would be good, but he just isn’t. There are some great coaches that don’t have the money that are still competitive. We are not even competitive anymore.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Member since May 2006
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:49 pm to
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Nothing signed yet. If he beats Purdue he can expect other offers
Nah NC St just hired a gm today away from the OKC Thunder. When he joined the Thunder last year he was described this way.
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Andrew Slater, a veteran scout with deep national connections to college, AAU, and powerhouse HS programs, will join the Oklahoma City Thunder scouting department, per source.


State isn't doing that unless Wade is pulling the strings and Wade isn't letting them take that hire away from him if he's looking elsewhere.

Sidenote: LSU basketball is so far behind it's ridiculous.
Posted by Balrog27
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:49 pm to
There are a lot of valid points in this thread. All warrant considerable discussion regarding their merits. The idea that the talent wasn’t up to par does not hold water. So now we apparently are stuck with McMahon for at least another year. The grim reality facing LSU is we waited an entire generation for a coach who brought swagger not seen since Dale Brown was patrolling the sidelines to the unsettling scenario of Woodward getting it right.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:52 pm to
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Never heard the school itself setting up the bag man. The head coach sets that up
You think blue blood programs that have changed coaches over the years, just have the new coach design his own network of bag men to give benefits to players?

That's ridiculous. Programs usually have a set up and the HC is only involved with the recruiting of the player and letting the established network know how much he covets a certain player.

The reason Wade got caught was a by-product of having to do it himself and an FBI investigation into bribery allegations of a basketball handler that Wade was collaterally effected.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66060 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:52 pm to
UNC disproves that narrative.
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7797 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:30 pm to
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So now we apparently are stuck with McMahon for at least another year.


Yes, and its not 100% clear why....


Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66060 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:35 pm to
I wonder what a side by side comparison of LSU and Florida would look like over the last 3-4 years.


Record before the new hires
Record after
Roster turnover year 1
Recruiting rankings

I’d bet all but the record and coach is close to identical.
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 6:36 pm
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7797 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:46 pm to
I would just like to know the truth at some point, but that seems unlikely.

I'd bet on Woodward simply scheming up another year of McMahon to avoid going to donors so soon for a buyout.

That makes the most sense.


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