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re: What's really at stake this year?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:17 am to dukke v
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:17 am to dukke v
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And why do you keep brining his resume up?????? Over and over and over again....
Because 3/4 of the years he's been a full time head coach he's be a failure. He has yet, even when you include his interim gigs, surpassed the .500 mark for wins/losses.
Until he proves that the first gig was the anomaly, his past is still the best indicator of what we can expect.
But you know this already...much like you know that no one is BLAMING Orgeron for the fact that LSU played a weak schedule last year, just that the fact that it was weak needs to be taken into account when deciding just how much credit the man gets for that fantastic 9-4 season.
But...you'll ask this question again shortly...so at least we have that to look forward to...
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Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:22 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Because 3/4 of the years he's been a full time head coach he's be a failure. He has yet, even when you include his interim gigs, surpassed the .500 mark for wins/losses.
Until he proves that the first gig was the anomaly, his past is still the best indicator of what we can expect.
But you know this already...much like you know that no one is BLAMING Orgeron for the fact that LSU played a weak schedule last year, just that the fact that it was weak needs to be taken into account when deciding just how much credit the man gets for that fantastic 9-4 season.
But...you'll ask this question again shortly...so at least we have that to look forward to.
I'll let this be my response to Peej.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:37 am to Mo Jeaux
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I'll let this be my response to Peej.
"So...why is Orgeron to blame for how bad the schedule was??????????????" - Peej
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:38 am to Ebridg3
Hopefully Alleva’s job is what’s at stake
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:42 am to dukke v
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And was 6-2 in the SEC[which was down last year]. Yet its NOT O's fault those teams sucked and fired their coaches...
But he didn’t take advantage of it.
If I guaranteed you a 6-2 SEC record and asked you to bet on the our overall record, would you bet an anything under 10 wins?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:01 am to SammyTiger
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But he didn’t take advantage of it.
"So it was Orgeron's fault that the SEC was bad????????????"
Peej seems busy so I thought I'd take his place for a bit...
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:05 am to SammyTiger
He needs to beat Miami decisively. Split UGA / Bama - don't care how he does it. Auburn can go either way. Must wins at Arkansas and A&M or else LSU might have to do something drastic if they don't want to go back to the 90s.
2016 recruiting class is already one year removed from going pro. 2017 class would be the year after and we would be extremely fortunate to even maintain this year's class without winning. Win those games and try to flip Emory or we are going to have to acknowledge what we are really missing at HC right now.
2016 recruiting class is already one year removed from going pro. 2017 class would be the year after and we would be extremely fortunate to even maintain this year's class without winning. Win those games and try to flip Emory or we are going to have to acknowledge what we are really missing at HC right now.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:07 am to dukke v
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And why do you keep brining his resume up?????? Over and over and over again....
We're having a discussion about him right? If we were talking about Saban we'd be bringing up his resume. Hell people do it all the time, UAB, ULM, funny because he has a lot more interesting things to talk about, like the 5 NCs he's won. We talk about Jimbo's resume. We talk about everyone's resume, not just Orgeron.
A person's resume illuminates their ability. Go into a job interview, and when they ask for your resume tell them "I'm not here to talk about the past. Quit asking me about my resume" You'll get laughed out of the room.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:23 am to Goldrush25
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Go into a job interview, and when they ask for your resume tell them "I'm not here to talk about the past. Quit asking me about my resume"
All valid points before you are hired. Once you are hired, it's a bit late to ask about the resume'. At that point, no matter what's on the resume' you are hired.
So, while I didn't want O hired, bringing up his resume' over and over and over.... does nothing to advance the discussion at this point.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:26 am to beauxroux
Well now the conversation has moved to how long do we stick with this bad hire. And the resume bears relevance in that conversation, especially since he's repeating a lot of the same mistakes he swore he'd learned from.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:33 am to Goldrush25
Nah. Job performance bears relevance. Resume' should be a tool to get you in the door (and clearly O's resume' should not have gotten him this job). However, once in... it's all about job performance.
Seriously-- if he goes 12-0 in regular season... what he did at OM matters 0 to me. And if he goes 0-12, what he did at OM matters 0 to me. Good performance-- he stays. Bad performance-- he goes. Simple.
Seriously-- if he goes 12-0 in regular season... what he did at OM matters 0 to me. And if he goes 0-12, what he did at OM matters 0 to me. Good performance-- he stays. Bad performance-- he goes. Simple.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:53 am to Ebridg3
Having another 8-10 win season that continues the LSU identity crisis saga, and probably doesn't move the needle on getting new vision and leadership, and forces everyone into bad decisions that further create situations to continue in that very same morass.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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But...you'll ask this question again shortly...so at least we have that to look forward to...
Yes he will ask that question again, over and over again. Dukke jumped me in one of his posts yesterday after I said something about o and I told him to fall asleep and when he wakes up and reads my post again he'll probably agree with it since he seems so fricking bipolar with how he responds to others peoples posts.
One minute he blasts anyone that utters a disparaging word about o, the next he's blasting the people that stick up for o.
Might start calling him Sybil.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:46 pm to beauxroux
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And if he goes 0-12, what he did at OM matters 0 to me.
If he's tanking at LSU what he did at OM should matter to you, because it's evidence that supports what the resume told us in the first place. A coach without his history is entitled to the benefit of the doubt in that situation. He is not.
I don't get this idea that his resume is all of a sudden inadmissible in the evaluation of his performance. Past performance is the best predictor of future performance.
History doesn't mean a damn thing if no one uses the information to learn from past mistakes.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:46 pm to TigerCliff777
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what we are #2 as of today?
apparently you have checked in the last 2 weeks.
ETA - Cliff is MIA.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:54 pm to Ebridg3
If we don't have any embarrassing losses this year like last and we at least go 8-4 with this schedule, I would consider that a success. So no Troy's or Moo State's this year. UGA and Bama were both in the NCG last year and both should be just as good again. Yes we get both at home so that should make it competitive. I don't think we need to go 10-2 if we are competitive in every game, meaning in it till the end or a one possession game in a loss.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 1:08 pm to Goldrush25
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If he's tanking at LSU what he did at OM should matter to you, because it's evidence that supports what the resume told us in the first place.
I don't agree. The resume' may matter to you at this point. To me, performance as the LSU HC matters, now.
If O's record before coming here were 100-0 and he went 0-12 last year, (quoting from My Cousin Vinny) "would ya give a frick" what "the bastard" did at Ole Miss? I would not. In fact, I would fire him on the spot.
So, while resume' mattered when he was hired, it means nothing at this point. And bringing it up over and over and over and over is tiresome, boring and does nothing to advance the conversation at this point.
Edited to add: Any coach that would go 0-12 at LSU does not deserve the benefit of doubt, regardless of prior resume'.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 1:14 pm to beauxroux
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beauxroux
you are dumb.
he laid it out for you. it's about trends. we know his past trends. we don't want to repeat them. he said he's changed. if he continues a trend similar to his OM days, there's more support for not keeping him.
historical data collection and analysis is very important in all businesses when projecting outcomes, including college football coaching.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 1:25 pm to poochie
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poochie
I understand perfectly what he is saying and why he is saying it. Do you think you said it any better? Any clearer? Hint: You did not. Dressing your statement up with "historical data collection and analysis" and "projecting outcomes" does not make your position any stronger. Projecting outcomes matters when you are considering hiring the man. After the hire, it is all about job performance.
If you do not understand what I am saying and the reasoning behind it, I would conclude that you are the intellectually challenged one. Or as you so eloquently say, "You are dumb."
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