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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:52 am to Madking
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:52 am to Madking
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Btw Coaker had a higher winning pct than Miles ask the Miles crew if Coaker is better and see what they say lol.
Coker never won anything with his own recruits.
Saban never won anything at lsu with 100% his recruits.
I'm wondering if you're gonna give miles credit for O's next few years if we are successful.
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:55 am to Rickdaddy4188
I like how you took one statement and turned it into something completely different lol. You just proved everything I said to be true it's like you ppl can't help yourself. You used conflicting logic 3 times in one post lol that maybe a new record even for you. So who was the better coach Miles or Coaker? Are you gonna answer the question from the statement you posted or are you just gonna take quantum leaps from topic to topic?
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 2:57 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:59 am to Madking
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So who was the better coach Miles or Coaker?
better is subjective.
no one is arguing that if Saban wouldve stayed we wouldve won more than Miles did.
everyone that knows anything about football knows that. but he didnt stay.
all GOAT status or better status is purely subjective. you may think record against top 5 is more meaningful than what I deem meaningful.
I don't have a problem with anyone saying Dietzel,Saban, or miles is the GOAT.
all 3 have valid arguments.
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I like how you took one statement and turned it into something completely different lol.
my bad. context is shite on here
hopefully in 3-4 years O's name is starting to enter the convo
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 3:02 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 3:07 am to Rickdaddy4188
Quit trying to suck me into your little world of subjective comparisons. I don't give a shite who the coach is if the combination wins games. You've got me so wrong because you think I'm into the petty idol worship you're into but truth is I don't like Nick Saban I think he's an angry little piss ant and what's worse he lets his wife make his career choices. You on the othe hand have a massive hardon for Miles and can't see past your fap worship of that moron. Miles is a bad coach he's not average he's not pretty good he's bad he's bottom quarter as far as football knowledge goes. I've had one of his own QBs tell me to my face that he doesn't know shite about football. I don't think O is a good coach either but if Miles can win at LSU why can't O? Sure Miles was left a much better program to work with but O is a better coach than Miles and will allow his coaches to coach so he may well win here. This thing where you guys keep bringing up that zero is so tired and boring and it's frustrating to have to listen to ppl who obviously never coached and don't know anything about the job talk about this guy being good or better than the next guy when they may as well be talking about micro biology with as much as they know about it. Knowing football and knowing coaching are two totally different things.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 3:10 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 3:13 am to Rickdaddy4188
As far as the GOAT coaching convo that's up to the fans choice I would think. Of course you have to have some standards to be taken seriously but things like that are subjective and opinion based since there is no conclusive way to define the title. Sorry if I came off as a dick last post not everything I said was strictly directed towards you.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 3:19 am to Madking
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You've got me so wrong because you think I'm into the petty idol worship you're into but truth is I don't like Nick Saban
no I don't brother. id tell you that if I did. am I one to not say what I think?
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You on the othe hand have a massive hardo
stating facts isnt having a hard on
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Miles is a bad coach he's not average he's not pretty good he's bad he's bottom quarter as far as football knowledge goes.
I'm sure he will take his accomplishments over the opinion of some anonymous message board poster.
bad coaches don't have one of the most accomplished tenures in sec history.
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I've had one of his own QBs tell me to my face that he doesn't know shite about footbal
and there have been dozens that have said he does.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 3:22 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 3:20 am to Madking
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Sorry if I came off as a dick last post not everything I said was strictly directed towards you.
I know how it is. gotta keep your head on a swivel on here brother.
for the record O may be a better coach than Miles but he hasn't proven it yet
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 3:22 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 3:31 am to Rickdaddy4188
Totally agree and you put it correctly in one of your earlier post. Accomplished was the word you used as opposed to better. You know guys like Andy Reid and Martyball have better records than some of the greatest coaches in NFL hisory but you wouldn't say they were better than Bellicheck or Walsh. It's a difficult thing to judge when comparing coaches Johnny Jones record says he's one of our most successful basketball coaches but we know he's not any good. I think pro Miles ppl forget these kinds of examples and realities and I'm not trying to bash him he won a lot of games here, shite he won a couple I didn't believe he would. I just think the combination of the way Saban left with how long Miles stayed and kept us at a high level created this cult worship of him that's sometimes a little over the top. Like I always tell you there's nothing wrong with liking the guy but I think when the discussion starts ppl tend to overrate him out of love instead of looking at all our coaches objectively.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 3:33 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:12 am to MarlinMan
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Saban was the GOAT LSU coach IMO
Not possible. Only coached Lsu for 5 seasons.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:50 am to MarlinMan
quote:Saban #1. Arnsparger #2.
Saban was the GOAT LSU coach IMO...
Miles totally ruined his legacy from 01/09/12 - 09/17/16 by letting his wretched excess ego and stubbornness dominate...........
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:12 am to theunknownknight
Recruit a serviceable QB
Posted on 8/13/17 at 8:54 am to Skeezer
The OP reminds me of that little kid on vacation
who asks "are we almost there yet?" after 5 minutes of driving
who asks "are we almost there yet?" after 5 minutes of driving
Posted on 8/13/17 at 8:57 am to semjase
" Miles totally ruined his legacy "
Only on the Rant can you coach go 13-1, 9-0 in the SEC, finish ranked number two in the nation, and ruin his legacy. lol
Only on the Rant can you coach go 13-1, 9-0 in the SEC, finish ranked number two in the nation, and ruin his legacy. lol
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
Rdaddy;DR
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:24 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Only on the Rant can you coach go 13-1, 9-0 in the SEC, finish ranked number two in the nation, and ruin his legacy. lol
Dude, seriously, if you can't fricking see that the PLAYERS WON those 13 games and the COACH LOST that last one, then "your an idiot"!!!!
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:39 am to BananaHammock
Yeah, yeah, yeah.....normal rely of the college/SEC football sports menally challenged. Miles lost 30+ games at LSU and the players won a 100+ games.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 12:26 pm to madddoggydawg
quote:At LSU he wasn't, as in OP " GOAT LSU football coach".
Hey let's pretend the best college coach of all-time isn't better than Les Miles.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:13 pm to Mayhawman
There are some stubborn folks in here.
At the moment he was here he was not the GOAT LSU coach.
He did not become a GOAT until he went to Bama.
He is truly the GOAT. Phenomenal since he went to Bama. But not here. He did win a title here and I'm grateful for that. Other than the NC he was average , HERE.
HERE is what some are missing. How hard is that?
At the moment he was here he was not the GOAT LSU coach.
He did not become a GOAT until he went to Bama.
He is truly the GOAT. Phenomenal since he went to Bama. But not here. He did win a title here and I'm grateful for that. Other than the NC he was average , HERE.
HERE is what some are missing. How hard is that?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 3:02 pm to LSUCouyon
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Other than the NC he was average , HERE.
Average? Average
Do people that say this have any knowledge of where, exactly this program was before Saban was hired? We had 8 losing seasons in 11 years. We had won 7 the 2 years before and he won 8 in his first year. His 2nd we won the SEC W and to the SEC CG for the first time. Miss St and Arkansas had been before us. Only Ole Miss, thank God had not. That 2001 SEC title was the first for LSU in 13 years, 8th SEC title and 4th since Dietzel's last in 61. It was our first Sugar Bowl/Major Bowl win since 1967. We finished ranked #7. That was only the 3rd top finish since 1966.
Of course 2003 was the first National Title in 45 years, something many fans thought we'd never see.
the 2002 season looks bad when all you do is look at the record, but the team was devastated with injuries in the 2nd half and it was his 3rd year, he didn't have the pieces in place yet to that. 2004, he lost 3, but 1 was the blow game on a hail Mary and he shouldn't have been coaching that game anyway.
He clearly left a loaded team and I do agree he wasn't while what ifs are pointless, it is willfully ignorant to think he would not have done at least as well as Miles from 05-07 and very easy to think he would have done better.
I often give DiNardo credit for what he did, he maybe didn't pour the foundation but cleared some trees and surveyed the land. He got in state kids interested in LSU again. Sabann took it to another level with the 2001 and later 03 and 04 classes. He couldn't have done it with out admistration support from Emmert, but Saban was not by any rational measure "average" Here.
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