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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Chris Jackson was 2/2 on PATs. 
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:27 pm to nvasil1
I had zero finger nails after that game. i had talked so much shite all summer to my bama and auburn friends.
we completed 14 of 41 passes.
we completed 14 of 41 passes.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I see you guys are making a big deal out of that 04 game but never heard any of you objective fact based posters say anything about the 4 missed kicks in perfect weather at Bama in 2011. Or ever heard you guys say anything about 05 when vs Arizona State when Doucet dropped the ball and we were literally given a win or Tenn 2010 when that moron was trying to sub Qbs inside the 10 with less than 20 seconds and we lost but were given another chance because of dumb luck. I also see you guys constantly harping on the 3 loss 0I SEC title but ignore the more rare 2 loss Natty in 07. It's amazing how you guys do nothing but use double standards one sided arguments and cherry picked stats yet call yourselves fact based objective fans lol.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Yeah, when the student section began clearing out early, I kept thinking about how quick that honeymoon of an off-season was.Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:32 pm to Madking
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I see you guys are making a big deal out of that 04 game bit never heard any of you objective fact based posters say anything about the 5 missed kicks in perfect weather at Bama in 2011
no one is making a big deal out of it but you.
also, 3 of those missed 2011 fgs wouldve been career long makes for their kicker.
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Or ever heard you guys say anything about 05 when vs Arizona State when Doucet dropped the ball and we were literally given a win
I say it all the time that it wasnt a catch
it's clear you just want to explain away Saban's frick ups at lsu.
both miles and Saban lucked into wins at lsu.tbe only person taking either of them personally seems to be you.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:32 pm to MarlinMan
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Unfortunately, his coaching ability was on display to the world to see on 1/9/12. He was exposed as a fraud that night...
Les was hell of a recruiter and won many games on sheer talent alone - not being able to develop the QB position hurt what could have been
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:33 pm to Madking
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I see you guys are making a big deal out of that 04 game but never heard any of you objective fact based posters say anything about the 5 missed kicks in perfect weather at Bama in 2011. Or ever heard you guys say anything about 05 when vs Arizona State when Doucet dropped the ball and we were literally given a win or Tenn 2010 when that moron was trying to sub Qbs inside the 10 with less than 20 seconds and we lost but were given another chance because of dumb luck. I also see you guys constantly harping on the 3 loss 0I SEC title but ignore the more rare 2 loss Natty in 07. It's amazing how you guys do nothing but use double standards one sided arguments and cherry picked stats yet call yourselves fact based objective fans lol.
Wtf are you talking about?
I'm just watching the PGA Championship, drinking a beer and reminiscing about an old football game.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:34 pm to chadr07
quote:Yea, run it to the side with most defenders. lol
Don't run options to the short side of the field.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:35 pm to Chitter Chatter
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Les was hell of a recruiter and won many games on sheer talent alone -
this is true of any great recruiter.
did you see Saban at lsu when he didnt have a hige talent advantage?
did you see Saban at bama in 2007 when he didnt have a huge talent advanatge?
and he is the best coach ever.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I posted on the 04 game once before you stared your shite and no Foster made a 46 yarder that game and missed from 44 so that subjective nonsense is just more BS.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:36 pm to nvasil1
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I'm just watching the PGA Championship, drinking a beer and reminiscing about an old football game.
that's also what I was doing.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Yea saw him win an SEC championship a year removed from a 3 win team and saw him win a natty in 09 without his first cycle of players though the system yet. Also saw him win 8 games his first year with the worst Oline in school history and a rag tag team coming off a 3 win season.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:50 pm to Madking
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Yea saw him win an SEC championship a year removed from a 3 win team
you also saw him lose to uab and umm.
you're easily turning into a fricking Saban fan boy.
the fact that you can't admit Saban struggles without a massive talent advantage just proves it.
hell he has a massive talent advantage now and he loses to an inferior team every year.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:02 pm to Madking
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I posted on the 04 game once before you stared your shite
yes I just started shite by saying missing 3 PAT's isnt a fluke. just a wild stance.
1 of the 5 misses in 2011 was blocked( 49 yarder wouldve been a career long make for Shelley at the time)
2 other kicks wouldve been career long makes for the kicker taking them at the time. Foster missed a 52 yarder and a 50 yard kick( career long makes at the time)
and for the record. anyone that thinks ed orgeron is a better coach than Miles doesn't know football at an elementary level.
miles has as many title game appearances at lsu as Saban had top 15 finishes at lsu.
Saban finished unranked in 40% of his tenure at lsu.
if miles had finished unranked in 40% of his tenure at lsu your head would explode.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:18 pm to Madking
why would you take issue with anyone saying Saban lucked into some wins at lsu? so did miles.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:35 pm to dukke v
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OK Saban did NOTHING here.............
I didn't say that. I said that LSU was lucky to win the 2004 game against Oregon State.
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YOU are A stupid dumbass...............
Well that's the pot calling the kettle black.Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:46 pm to Madking
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It was a monsoon the field was literally a mud pit that why he couldn't kick. It was no fluke it was bad weather.
HA! Excuses and lies!
Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:55 pm to Scoob
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wasn't the kicker an All American candidate coming into the year?
He was a walk-on redshirt freshman. He was a finalist for the 2004 Lou Groza Award and made a couple of Freshmen All-American teams.
He actually had a pretty good college career with Oregon State.
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Richt and Georgia skullfricked that 2004 team.
Yes they did.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:16 pm to LSU Groupee
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Come on. The poster said something like, take out 2003 and Saban's record at LSU was average. Now, I would say that nationally his record without 2003 would be a little above average, but calling it average isn't some terrible comment record wise.
But it is a comment lacking in context and perspective. You don;t compare the record to some "national" standard you compare it to the specific school and time. You judge each season on its own merits. And taking out 2003 is like saying other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln
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The LSU winning percentage from 1989-1994 was 38%. The LSU winning percentage from 1995-1997 was 74%
Nice way to cherry pick leaving out 98-99, the 2 years prior to Saban's hiring, when the winning percentage was 31.2%
In the 11 years before Saban was hire LSU was 58-65-1. That is a winning percentage of 47%. So a 75% and 70% excluding the first NC in 45 years. quote:
The goat at LSU is Les. More top ten finishes, more ten win seasons, more consecutive ten win seasons, more national championship games, and the highest winning percentage.
A case can be made for Miles, frankly i put him 2nd or 3rd, behind Saban and maybe Dietzel, but relying on just numbers without context is misleading imo. Especially the 10 wins metric. The schedule increased to 12 games around 05-06. with a bowl, which is also considerably easier to make now, its 13. Dietzel had 2 10 win seasons, 11-0 and 10-1, and 3 top 5 finishes in 6 years Miles 2 best seasons were 13-1 and 12-2 and he had 3 or 4 top 5 finishes in 11 years.
Records don;t tell the whole story, clearly the program Miles inherited was very different than the one Saban (or for that matter Dietzel) inherited. To discount that is willful ignorance
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:26 pm to Madking
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Saban had a better win pct
Cherry pick all you want, but Les winning percentage was greater than the Saban winning percentage. Les had more nationally top ten teams than Saban. Les had back to back ten win seasons. Saban had ZERO. Les played in two national championship games and Saban played in one.
Les did his when the SEC was the strongest and deepest conference in college football. Saban did his when the SEC wasn't as strong. Saban faced ZERO SEC national championship teams while he was at LSU. Les faced three SEC national championship teams.
I know this causes you butt hurt, but Les is the LSU goat. That doesn't make him the best coach, but it does make him the LSU goat.
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