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re: What LSU MBB needs to do
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:25 am to Nomadic Bengal
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:25 am to Nomadic Bengal
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Accept that LSU will never be a consistent player in basketball, and that's ok.
That's ridiculous.
Alabama was never a consistent player in basketball...until they found the right HC. Same for Auburn and Florida (with Donovan, and mayb Golden...if he can lay off the coeds). Tennessee, historically, was not all that much better than LSU, if at all...until they found the right HC.
Point being, there is ZERO reason LSU couldn't have the same level of success those other programs are having. It just takes finding the right HC. Obviously that is easier said than done. I have very little confidence McMahon is that guy. But that doesn't mean you throw your hands up and say "oh well", we'll never be good. You keep searching for that guy.
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:32 am to mmcgrath
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But he benched Waters, who was better than Sears and Carter, or at least more of a central player on the team at the time
You did not just possibly suggest that Sears and Carter are better than Tremont Waters
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:37 am to drizztiger
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I was looking at the schedule this morning to see when tipoff was tonight - 8pm - and we really need to step it up and take advantage of the next 3 games or we may go 0fer January.
I, and you, were surprised LSU was a home-dog vs. Vandy. Clearly the oddsmakers knew more than us. Realistically, if future lines were set today LSU likely wouldn't be a favorite in ANY of the remaining games except, maybe, South Carolina (and that's no certainty). We all know the SEC is very strong this year. So while I genuinely hope this is not the case, there is a very real possibility this season could go very bad, very quickly, if the Tigers don't start to play better quickly. We are talking 2-16..or worse in the SEC.
I posted on here many times that McMahon had earned the benefit of the doubt in terms of starting SEC play because last year and even in his first season the the team played well in the first week of the conference schedule. That's why I picked LSU to win on Saturday (and they blew my chance at a $200 pay day by losing the 3rd leg of my parlay). That was the worst performance in a conf. opener in McMahon's 3 years here, and it was against arguably the weakest opponent of those three games. If they are uncompetitive tonight then I think you have to start to worry about the team quitting on the staff. The schedule only gets tougher after tonight.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:10 pm to Alt26
Those are both head scratchers for sure. With Collins he had a tough time with Carey but like you said still provided play to at least give us something in return. Miller was slightly better at keeping him off his spot but gave us nothing in terms of pts and rebounds so I don’t know why he didn’t mix it up more. With VM I just don’t know what McMahon’s doing, yes he was cold early on but he still provides a threat and scoring punch so to have him on the bench the whole second half while our offense was completely bogged down makes no sense. It continues to be a theme with MM, bad rotations, poor adjustments in game regarding personnel and just a lack of understanding in terms of what our teams are and where our advantages lie. Mizzu is always a tough road game so we’ll keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:25 pm to Alt26
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Because no one in the media appears to give enough of a shite about the basketball program to ask, I'm curious to see if Damion Collins plays.
Fan apathy has been bad with this program majority of the last 30 plus years, but this year the media apathy is probably the worst I've ever seen it.
No one asks any questions - simple questions like this. Are there no more beat writers for LSU basketball that go to press conferences and ask things? this is a very simple question - anybody ask?
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Did McMahon decide the possibility of having his best bench scorer get hot in the 2nd half was too much of a risk to attain victory? Or maybe he was confused as to which Miller was on the floor which is why Robert got so many minutes in the second half?
As I've said, and I think you agree, I'm pulling for CMM and I want him to succeed. My biggest concern in the 2 plus years here is that we always seem a bit soft - we lack toughness, so a roster construction concern that seems to not take that into account. I was disappointed to see it appears that way again this year after watching the Vandy game.
But strategically I think I'm with you on what you said above - to put it in my terms I have had reservations about the who he plays, when and how much. These are examples of recent vintage, last year for me it was that he subbed Baker and Only for each other, and situations when I thought it would be more beneficial to play Fountain and Reed together, he VERY RARELY did.
Let's see if and how we adjust in this aspect. Geaux Tigers!!
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:30 pm to Tiger Ugly
Such a good point, if our media would actually cover and ask about all the things going on with the team it may drum up more conversation and interest. It’s very strange how MM has been wrapped up in this cocoon where there’s no information being shared about anything.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:41 pm to Madking
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It’s very strange how MM has been wrapped up in this cocoon where there’s no information being shared about anything.
It’s very frustrating as a fan.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:48 pm to Madking
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With Collins he had a tough time with Carey but like you said still provided play to at least give us something in return. Miller was slightly better at keeping him off his spot
God this was so frustrating this guy was hot dookie and we were letting him cook us because we just let him catch the ball and back down either collins or miller.
Look Miller just isn't ready to play 18 minutes, no-one's fault big guys need time to develop. I would really consider running Bailey at the 4 and chest at the 5 more than we do, we just got out rebounded by team playing 4 guards most of the game so its not as if we are losing a rebounding advantage, nor do we screen well at all so again losing the second big man probably won't hurt us that much.
Bailey is shooting 37% from 3 the last few games and yet we didn't even get him a corner look last game when we were struggling. We have got to do better on the offensive end against Missouri.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:16 pm to Madking
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Such a good point, if our media would actually cover and ask about all the things going on with the team it may drum up more conversation and interest. It’s very strange how MM has been wrapped up in this cocoon where there’s no information being shared about anything
It's probably a little bit of a chicken or the egg situation. Does the media see the lack of interest by the fans and figure their resources would be better spend covering other sports? Particularly when gymnastics, WBB and soon to be baseball are taking place at the same time and competing at a national championship level. Or is it the lack of interest from the media contributing to the lack of interest from the fanbase? Out of sight, out of mind.
For better or worse, McMahon is not a guy who has seemingly gone out and sought a lot of attention for the program. that doesn't look to be his personality. He'll speak on a few sports radio shows once a week, but unless you follow the basketball team on social media you don't hear much else about it. Again, winning forces the media to cover the program, so a HC doesn't HAVE to seek attention when things are going well. But for right now roughly about 15 people on this message board are as good a source of information as anyone else.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:32 pm to Alt26
Arse whooping tonight 0-2 with 2 double digit losses to bottom half teams. McMahon might be seeing his last year.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:44 pm to Alt26
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But for right now roughly about 15 people on this message board are as good a source of information as anyone else.
This board is far and away the best source for information about men's basketball. I would even say you could call or go to CMM's coaches show and ask the questions the media will not or does not, but I'd be willing to bet not many go and not many call and the one's who do ain't going to ask anything they think CMM won't answer.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:48 pm to Pnels08
Yea, before this season I watched a lot of millers hs footage and he did play on the perimeter a lot for a big. Not necessarily a bad thing but I don’t think he’s conditioned to be a big in the SEC yet but like you said bugs develop slower sometimes so it’s not like he’s a lost cause. What bothered me is we just let Carey establish position all game without really doubling him or forcing him to change up. He was getting the ball at the FT line sometimes and just pushing his way under the basket without us running extra people at him. We did try to go small but that was disastrous especially on the boards. Maybe it could work but you’d have to push the ball and maybe trap to pickup the pace but we just kept running our usual stuff so not sure what he was thinking there. As far as our half court offense, it’s year 3 this is just what it is, it’s not going to create open looks or pressure defenses in anyway. It’s too basic and there’s just nothing to it.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:17 pm to mmcgrath
If the firing happens it’ll be after Next year at earliest IMHO . I’m not as optimistic as I once was . Offensively we are terrible and the game is all about that now.GUARD play again is a big disappointment. Must get a few difference makers and create something around them. We’ll see. ...
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:23 pm to redfish99
quote:If we go anywhere near 2-16 again in the SEC and Woody doesn’t make a change, he’ll lose the last few remaining fans of the program.
If the firing happens it’ll be after Next year at earliest IMHO .
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:33 pm to redfish99
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If the firing happens it’ll be after Next year at earliest IMHO
I think it would really depend on how bad this year gets (if it ultimately turns bad). I don't think Woodward really wants to fire a basketball coach after just year 3 of a 7 year contract. Thus, I don't think the "bar" to get another season is terribly high. Maybe only 5-6 SEC wins. The problem is what if LSU goes 3-15, 2-16, or worse? That's not a wholly unlikely possibility with the strength of the league. If that happens there would be zero momentum going into next season. Zero confidence in the coach. Zero interest/excitement among the fanbase and, likely little support from the donor base. That's not exactly a recipe for success next year. Particularly when the roster is going to have to significantly turnover again because that is simply the nature of college basketball today.
At that point all another year would do is save you $2.5M. Obviously that is not chump-change, but relative to the $100+M enterprise of LSU athletics it's not a ton of "savings" either. Particularly if all it does is prolong the inevitable and delay the rebuild.
As I've said before, it was not a "sin" to hire McMahon given the circumstances and his resume the year he was hired. The "sin" will be keeping him too long if/when it becomes clear it just isn't going to work.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:50 pm to mmcgrath
need serious updates the PMAC and get people excited about basketball again
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:06 pm to joeybuckets_
Move the students back where they belong
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:53 pm to jamarr
This team is not making the tournament. Cut your losses NOW!!!
Posted on 1/7/25 at 5:54 pm to basiletiger
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You don't know basketball.....
lol
if you watch mcneese and think that they are as talented as lsu you're ignorant. that or you have will wade's nuts so far down your throat you're practically digesting them.
if anything it's a credit to wade that he's doing more with less talent
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:54 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Just as an observer, I think he messed up there.
You've earned tons of credit.
He's just venting and got the wrong guy.
You've earned tons of credit.
He's just venting and got the wrong guy.
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