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re: What is the "worst" case scenario?
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:03 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:03 pm to JPLSU1981
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if we go 9-3 in the regular season, lose in the SECCG, then lose the bowl game.
sounds like a Houston Nutt-esque conclusion to the season
they were 10-1 in 06 heading into the LSU game, then lost their last 3 (LSU, SECCG, and Wisconsin) to finish 10-4
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Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:03 pm to Dead Fish
So you dispute Miles' recruiting abilities and his ability to take a team to the BCSCG?
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:03 pm to Brett425
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Bo Pellini
Hard to argue with that. I include him in the list of prospects if the time comes.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:05 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
Oh I'm not saying I'd be overly happy about going 9-3 then losing SECCG and bowl game, I'm just making the point that I won't be leading any "March to oust Miles" if that is how it plays out.
I'd give him another year if that's how it plays out.
I'd give him another year if that's how it plays out.
This post was edited on 7/7/10 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:05 pm to Lacour
Always more wins. No "get the coach fired quicker" scenario is worthwhile because replacing a coach is so far from a guaranteed cure (just ask those of us who got our wish when Archer was canned).
quote:You really think we could get Muschamp, or do you mean generally a Muschamp "type"?
hire a Will Muschamp
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:06 pm to Lacour
Last year can't happen again. I feel that last season has to be the "worst" we can play.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:06 pm to Dead Fish
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Uhm…that was Saban’s talent
Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, Richard Murphy, Richard Dickson, Brandon LaFell, Demetrius Byrd, etc. disagree
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:08 pm to JPLSU1981
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So you dispute Miles' recruiting abilities and his ability to take a team to the BCSCG?
Obviously.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:08 pm to More beer please
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I agree !
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:15 pm to Dead Fish
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Uhm…that was Saban’s talent, and Les had choked but got a second chance after WV inexplicably choked and loss a game they should have easily won.
Just wondering why Saban couldnt win with his own players. You guys are grabbing in the dark. Stop vomitting shite you read. It was God's talent douche, LSU's talent, Louisiana talent. I'm sorry you can't figure it out.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:17 pm to More beer please
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Would never choose to lose more, just to get a different coach
This.....Any other answer is asinine.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:23 pm to TX Tiger
I think the writing is starting to be on the wall baring a 10 win season with a nice bowl win. If we get to the SEC championship and put up a good game combined with a bowl victory Miles will be around a while.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:29 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
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Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, Richard Murphy, Richard Dickson, Brandon LaFell, Demetrius Byrd, etc. disagree
I’m sorry but Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, and Richard Murphy were backups to Jacob Hester. I’ll give you Richard Dickson, but the bulk of the 2007 team were still Saban’s players. Moreover, the success and excellence established by Saban prior to the arrival of Miles contributed to the recruiting success as much or more as Miles. As a matter of fact, Miles stepped into an unprecedented situation. Never had a coach walked away just when his program had reached the pinnacle of greatness.
Nevertheless, without Saban preceding Miles, there never would have been a MNC in 2007. Further, had Miles been hired instead of Saban, not only would there not have been a MNC in 2007, but there wouldn’t have been one in 2003 either.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:31 pm to Jaydeaux
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Just wondering why Saban couldnt win with his own players. You guys are grabbing in the dark. Stop vomitting shite you read. It was God's talent douche, LSU's talent, Louisiana talent. I'm sorry you can't figure it out.
Eat shite Mr. Indisputable!
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:36 pm to Lacour
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It is amazing how so few of you can actually follow instructions.
I noticed that in the replies of most. I generally support Miles and would like to see him do well... but if the choice is having a winning record (but barely and sloppily) and him staying vs. a losing record and him being replaced, I have to admit there is some temptation to choose the worse record and replacing him.
But, despite the temptation, I would prefer the winning record and Miles staying for a few reasons:
1) The program would still command more respect with a winning record, even if it isn't elite level good. (UF didn't lose too much respect for going approx 8-4 in 2007 between BCS championship years). It would be more damaging to actually have a losing season.
2) The younger classes seem more talented and will likely be able to bounce that much higher the following year.
3) As a fan, I would feel improperly selfish to wish the demise of the team and coach to further an agenda, and therefore cannot wish them anything except success. It would be the players who suffered most. If you've played competitively in anything, you should know that it feels great to succeed and win and it feels crappy to lose. In other words, if the players are working hard, I simply have to choose seeing them succeed over seeing a coach fail.
4) I'm not sold on any hypothetical new coach as definitely being better.
5) With a crappy economy, the school and state being short on money, etc., I wouldn't be thrilled at paying Miles a buyout of millions (seems wasteful).
Bottom line, it feels better to simply wish this team and coach well.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:37 pm to Dead Fish
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As a matter of fact, Miles stepped into an unprecedented situation.
No one is arguing that. And it's silly to "hold it against Miles" in a round-a-bout way for stepping into a great situation.
He stepped into a great situation, and if we go 7-5 this year and let him go, I think most people feel that our next coach is also stepping into a great situation (if we were to fire Miles this year, there's really not any "rebuilding" that needs to be done). Yes, Saban laid the groundwork for the program, but the program is certainly still on solid footing even after Miles' significant tenure, so he's obviously done something right.
Miles inherited a great situation, and - six years later - the LSU football program is still a great situation. Most, including myself, thought we would fall off the cliff with the hire of Miles back in 2005. Not only has that not happenned, but we actually appear more poised now to win national titles in the future (with or without Miles) than we did in the year 2000 IMO.
Saban and Miles should both be commended for putting (and keeping) LSU on the proverbial map.
This post was edited on 7/7/10 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:37 pm to Dead Fish
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without Saban preceding Miles, there never would have been a MNC in 2007. Further, had Miles been hired instead of Saban, not only would there not have been a MNC in 2007, but there wouldn’t have been one in 2003 either.
Indisputable fact.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:48 pm to Dead Fish
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Nevertheless, without Saban preceding Miles, there never would have been a MNC in 2007. Further, had Miles been hired instead of Saban, not only would there not have been a MNC in 2007, but there wouldn’t have been one in 2003 either.
Really, Link?
GTFO, I tell you what actually happened and you say it didn't. THEN you say what would have happened.
How could Sabaon lose in 04? I mean the team was stacked, they were his guys he was the coach. Had to be somoene elses fault I guess
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:49 pm to Lacour
Based on your "worst case scenario"....
I don't think I could honestly feel good about an 8-5 season and see top rated talent underachieve.
I would rather go 5-7 and see the powers-that-be go after Gary Patterson.
This doesn't take away my positive thoughts about LSU or Miles as I truly feel that we're going to be in contention for it all this year.
I don't think I could honestly feel good about an 8-5 season and see top rated talent underachieve.
I would rather go 5-7 and see the powers-that-be go after Gary Patterson.
This doesn't take away my positive thoughts about LSU or Miles as I truly feel that we're going to be in contention for it all this year.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 3:54 pm to OldManRiver
See LSU 1999...
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