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re: What is really going on with the football program?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:50 pm to Soup Sammich
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:50 pm to Soup Sammich
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LSU should have some of the best up and coming coaches in the country begging for the job. And good established coaches from lesser football school's would be interested
While Nick Saban is in your division, nobody worth having is coming to coach this program where the rabid fanbase wants their winningest coach of all time's head on a platter
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:51 pm to Soup Sammich
He was hired 10 months ago get over it
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:52 pm to Soup Sammich
You are reading too much into things.
It was pure incompetence by Alleva,FKing and the BOS. Nothing more, nothing less
It was pure incompetence by Alleva,FKing and the BOS. Nothing more, nothing less
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:12 pm to Soup Sammich
The A.D. department and the Board of Regents are getting everything they deserve. Had they fired Miles in November '15, the LSU fans would see a much better product on the field.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:20 pm to I-H8-BAMA
quote::morganfreemanspointerfinger:
When he hired Orgeron as the head coach I literally couldn't grasp that it was reality. You jusy hired ED frickING ORGERON???? Our defensive line coach is the one that got the job? frick you Joe. frick. YOU.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:20 pm to Fat Bastard
Why does everyone think Mullen is so great What has he actually won and he has beat us what one Time?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:20 pm to medtiger
The brightest day for LSU is going to happen when Joe Alleva steps down and moves out of Baton Rouge. I don't have Big time money invested in LSU so I cannot vote Alleva out. Hopefully, someone will pull the strings and get this clown out of here.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:23 pm to Soup Sammich
Let's use a typical business analogy-
Strong candidates (top coaches) are interviewing the company ( school) as much as the company is interviewing them. They have options and are in demand due to their skill level.
What differentiates the eventual winner is two fold: work conditions/compensation pkg and company leadership
I would give LSU the benefit of the doubt on the former.... we have top notch facilities and pay enough to attract top talent
What's left is leadership or a lack thereof. You can't hire A talent when C talent is running the show....
Strong candidates (top coaches) are interviewing the company ( school) as much as the company is interviewing them. They have options and are in demand due to their skill level.
What differentiates the eventual winner is two fold: work conditions/compensation pkg and company leadership
I would give LSU the benefit of the doubt on the former.... we have top notch facilities and pay enough to attract top talent
What's left is leadership or a lack thereof. You can't hire A talent when C talent is running the show....
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:25 pm to Soup Sammich
Nope!! O was not the only choice at all!! I posted about a month ago asking the question as to why we didn’t offer the chance to PJ Fleck!!! People just wanted to bash me for even asking!! This was before the season started FYI! We had options, Alleva and F&ck King were sold on a frickIN binder, a binder for god sakes! Better start getting use to losing cause I can tell you right now, if we play the way we did against MSU we will get beat this weekend by Cuse. If that happens this server may overload due to melt.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:25 pm to medtiger
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I'm fairly convinced that we ended up with Orgeron because Alleva was embarrassed when Herman played him for the Texas job. When that all fell apart, he rushed Orgeron to the podium before Texas could announce Herman to make it look like Orgeron was his choice all along and ESPN got it wrong. It really was the most ridiculous coaching "search" possible, and the above scenario is the only way I can make any sense of it.
Sounds like the most plausible explanation given what we know.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 pm to tigerfan92
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Why does everyone think Mullen is so great What has he actually won and he has beat us what one Time?
He coached MSU to #1 in the AP poll in 2014. Think about that. Mississippi State.
That's like Purdue in the Big 10 or Kansas in the Big 12 becoming the #1 team in the country.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 pm to Fat Bastard
I think Y'all are selling Coach O short. Just because the team was in a funk for one game doesn't mean the team and the coach can't rectify matters. Coach Saban, coach Carroll and Urban Meyer all suffered big losses at one point during their career and yet it didn't prove cataclysmic, or even representative of that year's team.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 pm to tigerfan92
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Why does everyone think Mullen is so great What has he actually won and he has beat us what one Time?
Twice. But he's a better coach than O.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:38 pm to medtiger
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I'm fairly convinced that we ended up with Orgeron because Alleva was embarrassed when Herman played him for the Texas job. When that all fell apart, he rushed Orgeron to the podium before Texas could announce Herman to make it look like Orgeron was his choice all along and ESPN got it wrong. It really was the most ridiculous coaching "search" possible, and the above scenario is the only way I can make any sense of it.
Great post and you were right. Orgeron was named HC Nov 26th. Herman Nov 27th
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:41 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I agree with that thought process, but I'd switch the impetus to some big boosters... and I think the "O's one of us" stuff was legit with them.
So long as we're speculating, I've always assumed O and the Gang were making waves behind the scenes from the end of the 2015 season after Miles was retained. I fully believe that O was politicking for this job from that point on.
Hard to imagine he'd have even been in consideration without a lot of grease having been applied for a long time.
The whole thing seemed fishy when Orgeron joined the staff. I just never thought Miles would have brought him in willingly; he was a former rival coach, he'd been critical of LSU (and Les) in the past, he didn't bring any expertise of note to the table (you say recruiting, but we've had other recruiters that had done just fine here), and most of all, his last relevant job was interim at USC. It was pretty clear O was being set up as a possible interim here- I'm certain Les saw the handwriting on the wall, and when O was forced on him, he probably said "frick it".
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:47 pm to tarzana
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I think Y'all are selling Coach O short. Just because the team was in a funk for one game doesn't mean the team and the coach can't rectify matters.
A funk is one thing, a historically bad loss in the State series is another. The players looked like they quit and our HC, who is known for his energy and intensity, was just standing there doing nothing.
I hope O, the staff and players fix things, but that requires blind faith at this point, because there was nothing positive to take away from last Saturday.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:51 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Sounds about right. Is there any major program administration in the country this stupid? Auburn might be honorable mention, but no one else comes to mind. Thanks, Joe.
So long as we're speculating, I've always assumed O and the Gang were making waves behind the scenes from the end of the 2015 season after Miles was retained. I fully believe that O was politicking for this job from that point on.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:54 pm to tigerfan92
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Why does everyone think Mullen is so great What has he actually won and he has beat us what one Time?
Makes chicken salad out of chicken crap. And as for coach O, he's got the binder, that's all you need to know.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:55 pm to tarzana
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Coach Saban, coach Carroll and Urban Meyer all suffered big losses at one point during their career and yet it didn't prove cataclysmic, or even representative of that year's team.
The difference is, after those losses those coaches were indignant about the loss, identified the reasons for the loss and and set forth a plan to rectify the loss. O literally said he'd have ask his other coach why his best player wasn't playing.
He has no clue how to run a program, that was made painfully clear during the off-season.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:08 pm to Soup Sammich
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It just doesn't make sense that Alleva would even consider Orgeron much less hire him. I'm trying to understand the thought process of this hire. But it has to be because of a bigger problem than what is known.
This was discussed back in November of last year.
Scott McKay of The Hayride wrote this piece.
https://thehayride.com/2016/11/joe-alleva-showed-himself-completely-unfit-during-the-football-coaching-search/
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