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re: What is a acceptable record for Coach Ed Orgeron this year?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:42 pm to atltiger6487
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:42 pm to atltiger6487
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I said basically the same thing a few weeks ago and got slammed.
how can anyone deny that getting to 10 wins is easier today than it was back in the 80's and 90's?
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:44 pm to therick711
Without a doubt people have lowered their expectations because we hired a coach with a losing record and people will give him a pass strictly because he's from the bayou. I agree with anything less than a 10 win regular season his seat should be hot.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:44 pm to therick711
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If LSU becomes the first team to prove head coaches don't matter
Well, IF the new design by Orgeron (to take smaller salary and pay assistants much more than average) works... Then does it not make the head coach responsible for the success? At that point, he will have struck into unfamiliar territory, thinking way outside the box. I know it's a big IF, but say it does work out for the best- then head coaches do matter.
There will undoubtedly still be a significant measure of the fan base that will still shite all over O at every turn, and credit nobody but the coordinators. But at that point, it will be a moot argument as to the head coach not mattering. Les mattered a little too much, by not staying out of the offense enough. Yet he made ridiculous, absurd and gutsy calls that inevitability won games as well, albeit in cardiac fashion. So perhaps O can matter a little more by doing what he seems to be doing- dialing it back, focusing on what he knows he's good at, letting his assistants do what everyone knows they're good at, and not trying to fix the things that aren't broken.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:45 pm to Iam_PrinceAkeem
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Miles was the worse the team looked so horrible on the field we clearly one off pure talent and great defenses
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I was your upvote btw. Good stuff
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:48 pm to jacquespene8
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Unfortunately for O, his predecessor was fired for merely under-performing with elite talent. O does not have the typical rebuild scenario. He was handed the keys to a Porsche, so he has a very small window.
I expect him to win the west (and then the SEC by default). There, I said it. But if he falls short of that goal, I would only cut him slack if Bama was his only loss.
How did the hiring of O and a new OC change our QB? Or the LB position that is completely depleted and hadn't been recruited well for years?
The roster is not in near as good a shape as people think.
I think he will have an ok season this year, but next year.... wew nelly! gonna be rough! New QB, rb, and new people all over the place.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:48 pm to therick711
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So we fired Les Miles who got heat for winning 9 regular season games
you know good and well that wasn't the only reason he was fired.
Les's anemic offense and bullheadedness to not change is what got him fired.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:49 pm to axd9142a
10-2 regular season.
If 9-3 is considered unacceptable for one coach I don't see why the bar should be lowered for the next one.
If 9-3 is considered unacceptable for one coach I don't see why the bar should be lowered for the next one.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:51 pm to tgerb8
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yeah. 2019. sorry. Check out the this thread on the recruiting board. Looking at a real possibility of like 7 - 5 stars in state. LINK
It's all good. I used to be pretty big into recruiting, but at 31, the older I get the less interested I get. 5 years ago, in July, I could give you a solid breakdown on every commitment, and guys I thought we'd get and ones I didn't think we'd get. I think recruiting suffers from overexposure. You've got guys like Sam Spiegelman, who is just doing this as a job to make money, running around the southeast talking to teenagers all day everyday. It's just too much. I liked it when there were two or three sites and they each had a couple insiders that were actually well connected and knew about football, and those guys competed to break actual news, not "BREAKING NEWS: Ed O gives recipe for Gumbo to 4* 2020 RB"
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:52 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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you know good and well that wasn't the only reason he was fired.
Les's anemic offense and bullheadedness to not change is what got him fired.
Cause and effect confusion appears to be the order of the day.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:57 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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you know good and well that wasn't the only reason he was fired.
Les's anemic offense and bullheadedness to not change is what got him fired.
So it will be a great season if O has a solid offense, and changes at the whim of fans and the AD, even if he goes 6-6?
Exhibit A as to why the hire is a potential disaster.
If O fails all he has to do is say "I'm changing! I'm open to change, watch I will hire a new DC!" "I will implement the new fad in schemes!" I'll change!!!"
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:58 pm to LosTigres25
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What? Where are we rebuilding at? The HC at LSU doesnt get a rebuilding year pass. At least, the last guy didnt. The new coach has a stacked team and a returning capable QB along with 2 top coordinators. He and the new guy at Oklahoma have both been handed 2 of the best gigs in recent memory. I wonder what the expectation for the guy at Oklahoma is? You can bet its not 8 wins.
We lost 2 Alll SEC LBers, an all American safety and corner, a 3 year start at DE, an All SEC OL and the best RB in the history of LSU.
The reason why 2 losses last year was unacceptable was because it was one of the most talented teams we ever fielded.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:59 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Well you gonna disagree that he wasn't what held us back?????
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:01 pm to axd9142a
Let's be real. At first, the line was he had to go undefeated to have a chance at the job.
We excused the gump loss.
Then the Florida loss didn't matter.
So he'll get by going 9-4 or so because he's "one of us."
We excused the gump loss.
Then the Florida loss didn't matter.
So he'll get by going 9-4 or so because he's "one of us."
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:03 pm to timlan2057
It's so true
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:04 pm to Freauxzen
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So it will be a great season if O has a solid offense, and changes at the whim of fans and the AD, even if he goes 6-6?
Exhibit A as to why the hire is a potential disaster.
If O fails all he has to do is say "I'm changing! I'm open to change, watch I will hire a new DC!" "I will implement the new fad in schemes!" I'll change!!!"
More like Exhibit E.
Exhibit A is his performance the only other time he was a permanent head coach, and in the SEC West nonetheless.
I will root for him...hard. But he doesn't get a pass because he's from LA. 10 wins is the median we should expect and nothing less than 9.
The lowering of expectations is a plague that can tear down any team, organization, or company. You set the bar high and you continually strive for it. Period.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:05 pm to TheCaterpillar
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More like Exhibit E.
Exhibit A is his performance the only other time he was a permanent head coach, and in the SEC West nonetheless.
I will root for him...hard. But he doesn't get a pass because he's from LA. 10 wins is the median we should expect and nothing less than 9.
The lowering of expectations is a plague that can tear down any team, organization, or company. You set the bar high and you continually strive for it. Period.
Truth.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:07 pm to Penrod
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At every single position group we have veteran front line talent returning.
Wut
Like I just said, outside of Key we return 4 sacks total.
Our top 5 tacklers are gone
We had a paltry 9INTs last year. 6 are gone
6 of our top 7 pass catchers are gone from last year
Dude this isn't just a guy here or there. Collectively this presents a problem for 2017 despite the great young talent that we have on our roster.
Expecting a 2 loss season is setting up for disappoint. If that is what everyone thinks then Coach O is gonna get absolutely roasted when he more then likely won't warrant it.
This is for all intents & purposes a rebuilding year
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:09 pm to terriblegreen
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Everyone saying it's not fair for O to win 9 when Les got fired for winning 9 are forgetting O is still playing with the players Miles left him..
Oh the horror.
You act like O is taking over at Vandy for Christ sakes.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:10 pm to Freauxzen
For years it was said if we just had a competent, pocket passer who managed the game and the head coach got out of the way, LSU would be virtually unstoppable. We have a returning starter who is nothing if not average. The pieces are in place. There really isn't an excuse. The excuses were used up last year when people argued O didn't get to pick his staff, and he had to shift mid-stream. He's picked his staff (with what appears to be a virtually limitless amount of resources). He has an entire offseason to do what he wants schematically. Time to produce. It is your dream job after all.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:11 pm to jacquespene8
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Unfortunately for O, his predecessor was fired for merely under-performing with elite talent. O does not have the typical rebuild scenario. He was handed the keys to a Porsche, so he has a very small window.
This team has glaring weaknesses. Starting at the most important position, QB. I think the guy should be given a couple of seasons to produce elite results. 9 wins as the floor is fine in my book but to expect LSU to win the SEC this year is not accepting the reality of the roster and the schedule.
2016 was the year to win it all and Miles had LSU out of contention in week 4. 2017 is a rebuilding year, whether you like it or not.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:13 pm
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