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re: What is a acceptable record for Coach Ed Orgeron this year?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:11 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:11 pm to Lester Earl
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outside of Key we return 4 sacks total.
That's a pretty big omission qualifier.
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:15 pm to LosTigres25
Yeah ok
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:15 pm to therick711
Key hasn't been with the team & wont be ready for fall camp. It's becoming hard to bank on the guy this year anyway.
My point is there are no other players in our front 7 that has proven they can generate pressure. NOT. ONE.
My point is there are no other players in our front 7 that has proven they can generate pressure. NOT. ONE.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:16 pm to skullhawk
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9 wins as the floor is fine in my book but to expect LSU to win the SEC this year is not accepting the reality of the roster and the schedule
Has anyone actually said winning the SEC is the minimum expectation? It seems like you agree with pretty much everyone else but are attempting to leave some room to lower the bar if needed.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
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My point is there are no other players in our front 7 that has proven they can generate pressure. NOT. ONE.
LSU loses nearly ALL of its production from the 16 defense and the rant glosses over it like its nbd. I don't get it either.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:17 pm to Lester Earl
That's like saying, outside of Guice, we have no running backs that have proven they can carry the load. Yeah, well they have Guice.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:18 pm to MOT
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Has anyone actually said winning the SEC is the minimum expectation? It seems like you agree with pretty much everyone else but are attempting to leave some room to lower the bar if needed.
The highest upvoted posts in this thread basically call for the guy to get fired if he doesn't go at least 10-2 and the logic used to justify the firing totally ignore the issues the 2017 team has.
I'm not stumping for O or lowering the bar on LSU football. I know this program can and should be elite. No matter who was hired in Dec 2016, I'd be saying the same exact things. 2016 team was set up for a run. 2017 is not IMO. I hope I am flat wrong.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:20 pm to therick711
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That's like saying, outside of Guice, we have no running backs that have proven they can carry the load. Yeah, well they have Guice.
Except 4-7 guys rush the passer at one time and only 1 can carry the ball.
Again Key hasn't been with the team and won't be in the near future. We return 4 total sacks outside of him. Scary
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:21 pm to skullhawk
You do realize that 2018 is going to be even worse right??
Winning 10 games with a veteran QB OL and Heisman contender at RB with two of the top coordinators in FB against a very weak year in the SEC really isn't that high of a bar.
If we don't do it 'this year we sure as hell aren't doing it next year
Winning 10 games with a veteran QB OL and Heisman contender at RB with two of the top coordinators in FB against a very weak year in the SEC really isn't that high of a bar.
If we don't do it 'this year we sure as hell aren't doing it next year
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:22 pm to LosTigres25
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Miles winning 9 wasnt good enough so why would it be for O? Must win 10 or more or what was the point?
Over time, sure. Year one where O is left to deal with the remnants of the Miles era QB situation and a first year OC? I'm not going to demand 10 wins in that situation. The way the team actually looks and performs and whether the coaching is competent or not is far more meaningful in year one than whether the record simply shows double digit wins IMO.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
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Again Key hasn't been with the team and won't be in the near future. We return 4 total sacks outside of him. Scary
Unless and until Key isn't available, he is. Will he need help? Sure. Ed Orgeron is a defensive lineman guy. If he can't get us right there, what the hell is he even on staff for?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:24 pm to skullhawk
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'm not stumping for O or lowering the bar on LSU football. I know this program can and should be elite. No matter who was hired in Dec 2016, I'd be saying the same exact things. 2016 team was set up for a run. 2017 is not IMO. I hope I am flat wrong.
Exactly. Fans are foaming at the mouth regarding 2017, but 2016 our year and had we fired Miles the year before, then our 2016 goes much better & there wouldn't be as much pressure on O this year. But now he is almost set up to get roasted because fans don't realize you can't just replace 20 regulars including 4 first Rd picks
People acting like Miles set the bar at 10 wins! Lol!!! frick Miles & his 4 and 5 loss seasons and the downward trajectory he had this program on. He threw standards out the window when it comes to play on the field.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:27 pm to Lester Earl
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But now he is almost set up to get roasted because fans don't realize you can't just replace 20 regulars including 4 first Rd picks
How do Ohio State and Alabama do it? It isn't impossible, we just don't have a coach capable of doing it apparently.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:28 pm to therick711
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Unless and until Key isn't available, he is. Will he need help? Sure. Ed Orgeron is a defensive lineman guy. If he can't get us right there, what the hell is he even on staff for?
Like I said we have talent. Experience is lacking and that is almost as important.
And you can bank on Key all you want but the writing is on the wall. He's a top 5 pick if he doesn't play a snap this year and has his eyes on the NFL. He already has one foot out the door, he isn't going to lay it on the line at this point.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
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frick Miles & his 4 and 5 loss seasons
Yeah, those three seasons out of eleven were unacceptable!!!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:30 pm to therick711
We don't have a top 2 coach Rick. There's only 2 of those
And lol at you for upvoting your own posts
And lol at you for upvoting your own posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:31 pm to Lester Earl
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We don't have a top 2 coach Rick. There's only 2 of those
And lol at you for upvoting your own posts
Our new paradigm is head coach doesn't matter. I think we both agree that it actually does. To prove I'm not upvoting my posts, check out their numbers.
I just upvoted all of my posts on this page. Get out of here with that stupid bullshite, Lester.This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:32 pm to axd9142a
How many games did LSU win in 2005???
Should LSU fans have different expectations from what is arguably now a better program than what LSU had in 2005??
Did LSU retain and hire the best dc and oc in the country this year?
So 11 wins or it's a fricking disaster.
Should LSU fans have different expectations from what is arguably now a better program than what LSU had in 2005??
Did LSU retain and hire the best dc and oc in the country this year?
So 11 wins or it's a fricking disaster.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:32 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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You do realize that 2018 is going to be even worse right??
I gotta disagree with you there. The 2018 defense is going to be nasty. 2017 may turn out to be great but I predict some growing pains.
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Winning 10 games with a veteran QB OL and Heisman contender at RB with two of the top coordinators in FB against a very weak year in the SEC really isn't that high of a bar.
I'll give you QB being a concern even though I don't view Etling as irreplaceable (maybe my opinion changes under Canada) but I don't worry about the OL for 2018. LSU should only lose Malone from this year's starting 5 and return 4 seniors.
WR group will be deeper/more experienced
RB is a concern. No denying that. I think you can get away with serviceable guys there. Especially with the Oline that returns.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
We lost 4 first round picks after 2006 also and I don't remember expectations being lowered in the Summer of 2007. It's not about what you lose, it's what you have coming back and whether the new faces are capable of stepping in to play at a high level.
We certainly don't have NC caliber depth at the moment and no one has set the bar that high, but saying this is a 4-5 loss team is pure bullshite also. That doesn't mean it can't happen, it's just a failure if it does.
We certainly don't have NC caliber depth at the moment and no one has set the bar that high, but saying this is a 4-5 loss team is pure bullshite also. That doesn't mean it can't happen, it's just a failure if it does.
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