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re: What exactly happened with Snikeris at 2nd base yesterday?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:55 am to LSForYou
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:55 am to LSForYou
The question is whether or not you make a chicken shite call like that in a SR...the obvious answer is not. It shows the lack of presence by the umpire
Kinda like calling a holding call on 3rd and goal after a 14 play 95 yd drive. You just don't go there
Kinda like calling a holding call on 3rd and goal after a 14 play 95 yd drive. You just don't go there
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:56 am to PenguinNinja
Reply clearly showed his foot was off the bag, tag was applied, he was out.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:56 am to LSForYou
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I read the article in The Advocate? I did not see a replay anywhere. Was it an awful call?
This part, I find hard to believe [that one toe has that power]:
quote:
"My toe caught the bad to keep me from oversliding i
Yeah, that's crazy.
And I'd much rather take the word of TigerButt69 than an LSU player who was right there.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:08 am to willeteal
There's a bunch of LSU's fans here who are so frustrated with PM and that LSU got throughly outplayed that they want to day everything was LSU's fault. His FOOT WAS ON THE BASE THE ENTIRE TIME. i've seen it many times now.
1) Snikeris was on base the ENTIRE time.
2) There's a difference between two situations here:
a) a player stealing a base on ball four who makes a pop up slide, rounds second, and then is picked off, versus what happened:
b) a guy steals second slides and is avoiding a tag that is completely nonsensical.
What if a guy walks from homeplate and is awarded first base. while jogging there he trips before reaching the base and his arm is in fair territory between first and second -- can he be tagged out? frick NO!!!!!
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:17 am to willeteal
It's weird how so many people can disagree so completely about this.
My brother and I were watching the game right next to each other. He thinks the runner was safe, I think his foot came off the bag.
My brother and I were watching the game right next to each other. He thinks the runner was safe, I think his foot came off the bag.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:23 am to lsuroadie
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Kinda like calling a holding call on 3rd and goal after a 14 play 95 yd drive. You just don't go there
don't go where? Calling someone out when he is off the bag? Inch, foot, mile--does not matter. Off or no matters.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:24 am to noonan
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My brother and I were watching the game right next to each other. He thinks the runner was safe, I think his foot came off the bag.
blinders vs. no blinders
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:24 am to noonan
Anybody that says they know for sure whether he had his foot on or off the base from the TV angle is just guessing.
It was too close to call. IMO, it was so close that to call Snik out (ESPECIALLY after a walk was awarded) is chicken shite.
It was too close to call. IMO, it was so close that to call Snik out (ESPECIALLY after a walk was awarded) is chicken shite.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:29 am to LSForYou
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Calling someone out when he is off the bag? Inch, foot, mile--does not matter. Off or no matters.
Funny how some calls in baseball are granted even if it wasn't close (the automatic out at 2nd on a double play when the SS or second sacker may have never even touched the bag) and some are scrutinized endlessly (calls at 1st base).
Don't act like baseball doesn't have a gray area concerning plays at 2nd.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:33 am to AllsGroovn
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Reply clearly showed his foot was off the bag, tag was applied, he was out.
I've yet to see any replay angle "clearly" showing his foot off the bag. On the contrary, the ones I've seen (and the ones they showed during the game on TV) show the opposite.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:43 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Anybody that says they know for sure whether he had his foot on or off the base from the TV angle is just guessing.
I can agree with that. I think his foot came off the bag, but I'm not going to argue about it with anyone. It was really really close.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 10:53 am to noonan
The ump probably had a better view.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:25 am to noonan
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It's weird how so many people can disagree so completely about this.
My brother and I were watching the game right next to each other. He thinks the runner was safe, I think his foot came off the bag.
Good point noonan.
Ultimately, the jist from many Tiger fans is that this cost us the game.
But given the way we were pounding the ball in the ground it's not a given we score there.
I'm sure there are many regionals in days gone by where we overcame a bad call or two such as that, and probably a time or two where we benefited from such a call.
Bottom line is champions adapt overcome and things such as that become irrelevant.
We have a chance to overcome today and that's what we need to focus on or we get caught up in a distraction.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:28 am to Tiger Ugly
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But given the way we were pounding the ball in the ground it's not a given we score there.
Actually, if the events after this play happen the same way, Snik would have advanced to 3rd on a hit batter and then scored after a ground out to 2nd base. It cost us a minimum of 1 run.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:29 am to Tiger Ugly
it was maybe the right call, but it was extremely unlucky on LSU's part...its probably one of the rarest plays in all of baseball and the bad umpiring led to it
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:34 am to Eighteen
It was a play of two mistakes. The play needed both to happen for Snikeris to be out. They were:
1.) Home plate umpire forgot the pitch count, and froze after the pitch.
2.) Snickeris overran 2nd, and was tagged out.
One of those guys is getting paid to do his job and dropped the ball. The other is playing a game and slid over the base on wet ground. Both were mistakes that had to happen for him to be out. It sucks because it cost LSU at least one run, and probably more.
1.) Home plate umpire forgot the pitch count, and froze after the pitch.
2.) Snickeris overran 2nd, and was tagged out.
One of those guys is getting paid to do his job and dropped the ball. The other is playing a game and slid over the base on wet ground. Both were mistakes that had to happen for him to be out. It sucks because it cost LSU at least one run, and probably more.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:40 am to LSForYou
My problem with the play was how bad the umpires handled it. Talk about an abortion.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:42 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
You guys really don't understand baseball...
Ball 4 is never a dead ball,
Time cannot be called(dead ball) until the batter reaches first base and all other forced runners reach the next base.
At which point they reach their next base and break contact with said base - theynare in jeopardy..
If the catcher lazily throws the ball away after ball 4 it is still live....
Dead ball is called when a batter is HBP
If the umpire thought snickeris broke contact with the bag - and was tagged he is out regardless of any thing else unless it was HBP or a foul ball not caught by catcher.
Whether he broke contact is up for debate......
But if in fact he did OUT is the only call....period
Umpire doesn't have tp call ball 4 quickly or emphatically....
Runner does need tp stay on bag whether it is a walk OR a steal....
Ball 4 is never a dead ball,
Time cannot be called(dead ball) until the batter reaches first base and all other forced runners reach the next base.
At which point they reach their next base and break contact with said base - theynare in jeopardy..
If the catcher lazily throws the ball away after ball 4 it is still live....
Dead ball is called when a batter is HBP
If the umpire thought snickeris broke contact with the bag - and was tagged he is out regardless of any thing else unless it was HBP or a foul ball not caught by catcher.
Whether he broke contact is up for debate......
But if in fact he did OUT is the only call....period
Umpire doesn't have tp call ball 4 quickly or emphatically....
Runner does need tp stay on bag whether it is a walk OR a steal....
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:44 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
You guys really don't understand baseball...
Ball 4 is never a dead ball,
Time cannot be called(dead ball) until the batter reaches first base and all other forced runners reach the next base.
At which point they reach their next base and break contact with said base - theynare in jeopardy..
If the catcher lazily throws the ball away after ball 4 it is still live....
Dead ball is called when a batter is HBP
If the umpire thought snickeris broke contact with the bag - and was tagged he is out regardless of any thing else unless it was HBP or a foul ball not caught by catcher.
Whether he broke contact is up for debate......
But if in fact he did OUT is the only call....period
Umpire doesn't have tp call ball 4 quickly or emphatically....
Runner does need tp stay on bag whether it is a walk OR a steal....
Ball 4 is never a dead ball,
Time cannot be called(dead ball) until the batter reaches first base and all other forced runners reach the next base.
At which point they reach their next base and break contact with said base - theynare in jeopardy..
If the catcher lazily throws the ball away after ball 4 it is still live....
Dead ball is called when a batter is HBP
If the umpire thought snickeris broke contact with the bag - and was tagged he is out regardless of any thing else unless it was HBP or a foul ball not caught by catcher.
Whether he broke contact is up for debate......
But if in fact he did OUT is the only call....period
Umpire doesn't have tp call ball 4 quickly or emphatically....
Runner does need tp stay on bag whether it is a walk OR a steal....
Posted on 6/10/12 at 11:45 am to choupiquesushi
the play is still really rare...and it is really unclear if he ever actually did break contact
and I have seen umps tell the runner its ball four and the runner slows up
and I have seen umps tell the runner its ball four and the runner slows up
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