You guys really don't understand baseball...

Ball 4 is never a dead ball,

Time cannot be called(dead ball) until the batter reaches first base and all other forced runners reach the next base.

At which point they reach their next base and break contact with said base - theynare in jeopardy..

If the catcher lazily throws the ball away after ball 4 it is still live....

Dead ball is called when a batter is HBP

If the umpire thought snickeris broke contact with the bag - and was tagged he is out regardless of any thing else unless it was HBP or a foul ball not caught by catcher.

Whether he broke contact is up for debate......

But if in fact he did OUT is the only call....period

Umpire doesn't have tp call ball 4 quickly or emphatically....

Runner does need tp stay on bag whether it is a walk OR a steal....

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Posted by Fabius

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Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:06 pm to choupiquesushi

Umps made the right call if Snikeris reached the bag and left the bag. His hand definitely touched the bag and then lost contact. Could not tell from the replay if his foot regained contact before the tag.

Problems with that play:

Sending the runner on a full count, when down two runs in the late innings. LSU had no success stealing against SB and little success hitting. the most likely way to advance the runner in that situation was to hope for ball four.

Apparently no signal from third base coach to runner. Hard for runner to look at home plate, so TB coach needed to give signal.

Poor baserunning. Make sure you stay on the bag. If that happens, the two above don't matter.

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Posted by Tiger Ugly

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Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:26 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth

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Actually, if the events after this play happen the same way, Snik would have advanced to 3rd on a hit batter and then scored after a ground out to 2nd base. It cost us a minimum of 1 run.

Perhaps, but you really don't know. Perhaps they pitch it, play it, or position differently in that scenario.

I hear what you are saying but I just hate to see us be the whiney, entitled victims like so many gumps and black bears.

Let's just do what we do and overcome, and then it becomes another footnote like so many in our storied past.

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Posted by choupiquesushi

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Posted on 6/10/12 at 1:46 pm to Tiger Ugly

I p,ayed legion ball for a coach that would have the catcher throw thte ball to the lbase where the leading runner was heading to on ball 4 we did this Dailey often got 5 outs in one season from this... Runners came off bag....

2 critical ones at first base - one in a quarterfinals game...of course in one game it cost us a run when the ball got away from 3B

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Posted by Tiger Ugly

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Posted on 6/10/12 at 4:39 pm to choupiquesushi

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I p,ayed legion ball for a coach that would have the catcher throw thte ball to the lbase where the leading runner was heading to on ball 4 we did this Dailey often got 5 outs in one season from this... Runners came off bag....

My brother's Babe Ruth coach used to do this. Saw it work once. Everyone knew about it after it worked that one time.

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Posted by choupiquesushi

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Posted on 6/10/12 at 5:01 pm to Tiger Ugly

My brother's Babe Ruth coach used to do this. Saw it work once. Everyone knew about it after it worked that one time.

I used it and got a kid out hat I used to coach - and he actually used it....

Of course he also fell for the dropped ball trick

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