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Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:45 pm to RustyTiger
Great staff? Where is your proof? How can one know this for sure?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:46 pm to dgnx6
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What did he get fired for? And whatever your answer is, Has Ed improved on that?
The jury is still out on O as far as I am concerned, but he has had 1 full year. Miles had 12. Give the guy a damn break. If he doesn't win, let's just hope the poster boy for frontal lobotomies that occupies the AD office will make a swift change.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:49 pm to GeologyGrad88
This is just my opinion so take it FWIW.
That sounds good in theory, but it doesn't take long for a team to slip off into irrelevancy. Just ask Texas, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Michigan, etc. If it can happen to those programs, it can happen to LSU. One bad hire can set the program way back. That's where my real concern is if this experiment doesn't work out.
That sounds good in theory, but it doesn't take long for a team to slip off into irrelevancy. Just ask Texas, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Michigan, etc. If it can happen to those programs, it can happen to LSU. One bad hire can set the program way back. That's where my real concern is if this experiment doesn't work out.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:52 pm to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
I agree with you 100%.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:00 pm to RustyTiger
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He has already done it by putting together a great staff.
So great, in fact, that a fair number of the significant hires were brought on board by Miles.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:11 pm to RustyTiger
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He has already done it by putting together a great staff.
Both coordinators and probably your best position coach(Raymond) were hired by Les Miles.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:12 pm to TigerLunatik
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Just ask Texas, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Michigan
All of those situations were differnt though and 2 of them (Texas and Tennessee) speak to it being a good thing we fired Miles before things got worse.
- Texas let a "legendary" coaches hang around too long and then made a bad hire
- Tennessee let a legendary coach hang around too long and then made a decent hire, but Kiffin left after a year for USC and they have since made two horrific hires.
- Alabama had NCAA sanctions and made 3 consecutive bad hires.
- Michigan made 2 consecutive bad hires.
- Florida made 2 consecutive bad hires and probably kept Muschamp a year too long.
And out of all of the schools you mention, Orgeron had by far the most successful first year after replacing the "legend".
- Mike Dubose went 4-7 in his first year replacing Gene Stallings (10-3 the previous year) at Alabama.
- Charlie Strong went 7-6 at Texas (off an 8-5 Mack Brown season)
- Kiffin went 7-6 after a 5-7 Fulmer season.
- Muschamp went 7-6 after an 8-5 Meyer season.
- Rich Rod went 3-9 after a 9-4 Lloyd Carr season.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:16 pm to whitefoot
All fair points. How many of those coaches in your opinion toon over a team with top 10 talent as O did? He still lost 4 games is my concern.
I fear that this had more to do with the schedule and less to do with O. I pray that in wrong. But, if I'm not, the next hire will be that much more important and is what I was getting at about slipping into irrelevancy.
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And out of all of the schools you mention, Orgeron had by far the most successful first year
I fear that this had more to do with the schedule and less to do with O. I pray that in wrong. But, if I'm not, the next hire will be that much more important and is what I was getting at about slipping into irrelevancy.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:17 pm to OKTGR580
1) Beat Bama
2) Win Natty
If he does either of these in 2018, I’ll start respecting him.
2) Win Natty
If he does either of these in 2018, I’ll start respecting him.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:21 pm to whitefoot
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posing a real danger of losing the team completely
There was nothing in the eleven seasons Les was here which would lead anyone with a brain to believe that shite.
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rot out the exact same product
The 2015 product produced more points and yards than the 2017 offense
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resulting in a bad loss to Wisconsin
If you think that was a bad loss, how fricking terribly bad was the Troy loss.
You sir are an idiot!
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:41 pm to LSU Groupee
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There was nothing in the eleven seasons Les was here which would lead anyone with a brain to believe that shite.
Did you not watch the team at the end of the 2015 season? Back to back to back blowout losses to Alabama, unranked Arkansas (at home) and Ole Miss sure made it look like he was starting to lose the team. I guess you got all warm and fuzzy about the 19-7 win over A&M to end the season.
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The 2015 product produced more points and yards than the 2017 offense
Our offense was highly disappointing last year. Where did I ever say it was satisfactory?
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If you think that was a bad loss, how fricking terribly bad was the Troy loss
Where did I ever imply the Troy loss wasn't awful?
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You sir are an idiot!
Did I hurt your feelings by speaking honestly about the end of Miles' tenure at LSU? Are you an LSU groupee or a Les Miles groupee?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:44 pm to TigerLunatik
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I fear that this had more to do with the schedule and less to do with O.
Yeah, last year's schedule was cake. I'm not going to go back and look at the schedules for the other first year coaches from my previous post though.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:48 pm to LSU Groupee
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resulting in a bad loss to Wisconsin
If you think that was a bad loss, how fricking terribly bad was the Troy loss.
Just goes to show the different standards that people apply to O. A Wisconsin team that finished the season ranked 8th pulls out a last minute win against a Les Miles team in Wisconsin's own backyard at Lambeau. A bad loss!
An O coached team loses at home, for LSU's homecoming!, to a Sun Belt team. That's OK. Troy is a good team, and O was facing great odds trying to rebuild.
It's fricking pathetic.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:48 pm to whitefoot
Of course not, I wouldn't expect you to. That's why I purposely added the "in your opinion" part. The few teams I listed were just a guideline anyways. I just wanted to illustrate that big name schools have experienced a huge drop off before and it can easily happen to LSU as well.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 5:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
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An O coached team loses at home, for LSU's homecoming!, to a Sun Belt team. That's OK. Troy is a good team, and O was facing great odds trying to rebuild.
It's fricking pathetic.
Where did I EVER say any of this about the Troy game? So now you are just making up quotes to attribute to me?
If you don't think the Wisconsin loss was bad, then you have lower standards and expectations for the program than I do. Sorry. We were ranked 5th in the preseason polls and had an all time great defense. We gifted them 6 points to start the game and the offense couldn't do jack shite all game. Georgia State put up more yards and points against them than we did.
Bottom line is we came out flat and looked lost the entire first half and spotted them a 13-0 lead. That's a game we should have won, so yeah, it was a bad loss.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 5:11 pm to whitefoot
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ook like he was starting to lose the team
BS! That team would have won ten games if not for mother nature and did finish in the top 16 nationally. The same national ranking as Saban in his last year. Hardly a loss team.
You can be happy he's gone all you want, but his being gone hasn't made LSU better. In fact, a good case can be that LSU has dropped even further. You have to be stupid to be happy about that if you are really a LSU fan.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 5:29 pm to LSU Groupee
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That team would have won ten games if not for mother nature and did finish in the top 16 nationally.
This is good enough for you?
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Hardly a loss team.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this one. That team I watched in November 2015 looked pretty disinterested.
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You can be happy he's gone all you want
I'm not happy he's gone, but I do think it was time for him to go. If I felt he was still a guy who could have this team playing like they did in the good years (2005-2007, 2010-12), I would not have supported him being let go. In fact, even during that disastrous end to 2015, I was still torn about him leaving. But after the start of 2016, I was officially done. Yeah, Wisconsin was good, but I think that was a game we should have won, and the Auburn game was really bad, and included a nice dose Les's good old clock management foibles. That was the last straw for me.
quote:I honestly don't see any drop off. It seems to me like we're in the exact same place as we were in 2015 & 2016. A case could also be made that if Les had stayed we would have seen even more of a decline. It was certainly trending that way, but who knows, he might have stemmed the tide and kept us right here where we currently are.
a good case can be that LSU has dropped even further
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:08 pm to OKTGR580
Stop making up stupid catch phrases and show that he can act and win like he should here.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:11 pm to OKTGR580
Compete and win at an elite level.
Last year wasn't that.
Last year wasn't that.
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