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re: What does O need to do for respect?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:38 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:38 pm to TigerLunatik
Not all what I’m suggesting.
Read harder
Read harder
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 6:47 pm to R11
Well, I traced it back to this post and read it again twice and that's the only thing I can come up with.
Maybe you can help me out.
These two statements are the ones that stood out to me the most.
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Coaches, coach and the players have to execute on the field. Just about every loss LSU has taken can be summed up with player execution. Both coach Miles & CEO have put their teams in positions to be successful only to have a player drop a pass, throw a pic, fumble or miss a FG.
I’ve had this same commentary on here before I gotten bashed by several O haters for it.
Ricky daddy comes to mind.
Its absolutely the players responsibility to execute what they cover on practice.
Kickers
WRs
QBs
Rbs
Defense
Execute the play call you generally have success.
Don’t? You lose.
Very simple. Especially at this level of play.
Maybe you can help me out.
These two statements are the ones that stood out to me the most.
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Both coach Miles & CEO have put their teams in positions to be successful only to have a player drop a pass, throw a pic, fumble or miss a FG.
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Execute the play call you generally have success.
Don’t? You lose.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:00 pm to tigerbacon
TigerBacon
How quickly we all forget the real story of Les Miles & how he was trending down. Had he won 10 games the last 3 or 4 of his seasons he would NOT have been fired.
He was fired for:
1. Losing to Bama 6 times in a row.
2. His last 3 seasons going 19-10 for a .65 win %.
3. and SEC record of 15-14 in his last 3 1/2 years.
CLM's SEC record:
2013 5-3
2014 4-4
2015 5-3
2016 1-1 (then fired) after AU loss time management debacle.
If CO does this he'll be fired too! Coach O didn't inherit Nick Sabans' team or players.
Coach O earned my respect when he took the interim job, earned the HC job, and went into Bama last year and went after them. If Danny Etling could complete a long ball that's a completely different ball game.
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2-3 11 win seasons since miles got fired for 10win seasons
How quickly we all forget the real story of Les Miles & how he was trending down. Had he won 10 games the last 3 or 4 of his seasons he would NOT have been fired.
He was fired for:
1. Losing to Bama 6 times in a row.
2. His last 3 seasons going 19-10 for a .65 win %.
3. and SEC record of 15-14 in his last 3 1/2 years.
CLM's SEC record:
2013 5-3
2014 4-4
2015 5-3
2016 1-1 (then fired) after AU loss time management debacle.
If CO does this he'll be fired too! Coach O didn't inherit Nick Sabans' team or players.
Coach O earned my respect when he took the interim job, earned the HC job, and went into Bama last year and went after them. If Danny Etling could complete a long ball that's a completely different ball game.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:02 pm to Tigerik
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Coach O didn't inherit Nick Sabans' team or players.
You're one hundred percent correct. He inherited a better team. A team ranked with the 6th best talent this year.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:19 pm to whitefoot
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think it was time for him to go
Letting him go without having nailed down a damn good replacement was a mistake. This is not a case of a failed coach with a losing record. This is getting rid of the most successful coach in school history who is still winning bowl games, having nationally ranked teams, and top 5 recruiting classes.
Now, we have a lower national ranking, lower recruiting ranking, lower offensive production, and losing to non power five teams for the first time in fifteen years. Seems a drop off by any measurement available.
LSU should have fired Les in 2015. They didn't. Mistake number one. They should not have fired him four games into 2016. Made no sense. Mistake number two. The should have never hired a resume the likes of O. Mistake number three.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:52 pm to Tigerik
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Coach O earned my respect when he took the interim job, earned the HC job, and went into Bama last year and went after them
Here’s another tard. Bama was taking a mercy knee last year.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:04 pm to whitefoot
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If you don't think the Wisconsin loss was bad, then you have lower standards and expectations for the program than I do.
In my opinion, all losses are bad. But that Wisconsin team finished the year 11-3, and ranked #9 in the final AP poll. Their 3 losses were to teams that were all ranked in the top ten at the time the games were played and all 3 teams also finished the season ranked in the top ten. Plus the game was played at Lambeau Field, roughly 130 miles from their campus.
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We were ranked 5th in the preseason polls
Yes we were and like I said earlier, it was a bad loss. It sucked losing that game.
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and had an all time great defense.
Arandas first game as the DC. The LSU offense struggled no doubt, against a pretty good Wisconsin defense, but don't you think it took the LSU players a few games to get comfortable with a new defensive system?
So losing to the Badgers sucked, but not nearly as bad as losing to Troy, at home. That's my take on it anyway.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:13 pm to LSU Groupee
Jeez, man, now you're changing the argument. I never said I agreed with anything about the way Alleva handled Miles' firing. My post that set you off was that I took issue with someone who said Miles was fired for winning 10 games a year. My point was, he was fired for not having us competing for the SEC West anymore and, in my opinion, that late season collapse in 2015.
And now you're pretty much agreeing with my original point that set you off just 5 hours ago? Did your meds kick in or something?
And now you're pretty much agreeing with my original point that set you off just 5 hours ago? Did your meds kick in or something?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:21 pm to earl keese
We're on the same page about the Wisconsin loss, but....
When did I ever compare the Troy loss to the Wisconsin loss? I'm not an idiot. I recognize losing a virtual road game to a B1G doesn't compare to a homecoming loss to a Sunbelt team.
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So losing to the Badgers sucked, but not nearly as bad as losing to Troy, at home. That's my take on it anyway.
When did I ever compare the Troy loss to the Wisconsin loss? I'm not an idiot. I recognize losing a virtual road game to a B1G doesn't compare to a homecoming loss to a Sunbelt team.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:27 pm to whitefoot
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When did I ever compare the Troy loss to the Wisconsin loss?
Yeah, that's my mistake. I saw it in a post between you and someone else and got confused.
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I'm not an idiot.
Are you sure about that?
Just joking whitefoot.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:33 pm to earl keese
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I'm not an idiot.
Are you sure about that?
Haha. I figured I was setting myself up for that one.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:39 pm to whitefoot
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Haha. I figured I was setting myself up for that one.
I couldn't help myself. Sorry.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:13 am to whitefoot
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- Alabama had NCAA sanctions and made 3 consecutive bad hires.
Too bad RR turned down the job or it'd been 4.
And no Saban
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:11 am to lsusteve1
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Too bad RR turned down the job or it'd been 4.
And no Saban
When I was looking at their coaches' record since Stallings, I had completely forgotten that Dennis Franchione actually turned down an extension from Alabama to take the Texas A&M job.
From his Wikipedia page:
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The turnaround success Franchione made prompted Alabama officials to offer Franchione a 10-year contract extension worth $15 million
Talk about an all-time what if
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:18 am to OKTGR580
Win
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:15 pm to TigerLunatik
So let me get this straight... if preparations are done, right play call is made and the players don’t do their job, it’s still coaches fault?
Am I understanding you correctly?
And as far as this only “college kids” arguement, fricking spare me.
This isn’t peewee league or Jr high.
This is highest level D1 elite players,, that’s sole purpose during this stage in their life is to play football. You must execute.
Period.
Am I understanding you correctly?
And as far as this only “college kids” arguement, fricking spare me.
This isn’t peewee league or Jr high.
This is highest level D1 elite players,, that’s sole purpose during this stage in their life is to play football. You must execute.
Period.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:28 pm to R11
No, of course you aren't understanding correctly. My whole point in my post was that the coaching staff wasn't putting the players in the best position to win the game and gave you an example.
You quoted this
Then proceeded to complain about downvotes and my response was that you were probably getting them because you were blaming players for those losses.
Troy loss - terrible coaching
MSU loss - terrible game plan on both sides
ND loss - already explained kicking the FG
IMO, the Bama loss was just because they had superior players. The game plan was fine for me.
Auburn game - came out ultra conservative and got down 3 scores early. Nice in game adjustment, but I wonder what have happened had the game stayed closer.
You quoted this
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Both coach Miles & CEO have put their teams in positions to be successful only to have a player drop a pass, throw a pic, fumble or miss a FG.
Then proceeded to complain about downvotes and my response was that you were probably getting them because you were blaming players for those losses.
Troy loss - terrible coaching
MSU loss - terrible game plan on both sides
ND loss - already explained kicking the FG
IMO, the Bama loss was just because they had superior players. The game plan was fine for me.
Auburn game - came out ultra conservative and got down 3 scores early. Nice in game adjustment, but I wonder what have happened had the game stayed closer.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:27 pm to TigerLunatik
So IF Orgeron puts together a staff that has what it takes to win 10 or 11 games while being in contention for the west, is his role as a leader good enough? He’s not the best X’s and O’s Guy, he has the best DC, we all found out Canada was a dick and wouldn’t workout here. IF Ensminger makes this offense a top 5 in the SEC offense with Burrow, would that be enough? Y’all are delusional if you didn’t see a few bright spots last year that O and staff will learn and get better from.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:29 pm to OKTGR580
Losing 3 games would be a decent season if none are beat downs and by the end of the season, Burrow is coming along. Don’t be surprised to see LSU in the 10 win range once again. We are LSU come on guys. It’s not like we are Vandy or somethin
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:31 pm to OKTGR580
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We are LSU come on guys. It’s not like we are Vandy or somethin
This is what I said the week of the Troy game last year. Look how that worked out.
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