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re: What do the LSU coaches think of Nussmeier’s potential?

Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:10 pm to
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Why would it be “foolish” to build an offense around a player like JD? LSU literally has the best offense in college football…and has the chance to have a 10 win season with literally one of the worst defenses. Bama might win a NC because they have a QB very similar.


Reading comprehension, bro.

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it would be foolish to build an offense around having a player like him.


Because if your offense is built around HAVING a player like Daniels, then what do you do in the 9 of 10 years when you don't have a player like him?

Sure, when you have a QB like him, you take advantage of it. But most years, you won't.

And Bama isn't winning shite and Milroe is no JD. He rushed for less yards than Peyton Thorne.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:13 pm to
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You mean the QBs for 3 of the top 4 scoring offenses in the SEC?


Excuse me, I thought we were talking about winning the SEC. None of those 3 will win the SEC, or anything else of note.

They are all three good quarterbacks. That's not the point, which is that you do not have to have a dual threat QB to win the SEC. In fact, that would be the exception.
Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:16 pm to
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then what do you do in the 9 of 10 years when you don't have a player like him?


Ok..I get what you’re saying. You’re not saying we don’t try to recruit dual threat QBs like JD…you’re saying JD is so great that we can’t expect to find another one within a 10 year span.

Well I say we keep trying…because I think in the modern era, a dual threat is better than a single threat…all things being equal.
Posted by Genestealer55
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:17 pm to
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None of those 3 will win the SEC, or anything else of note.


Not so fast my friend …
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26831 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:22 pm to
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all things being equal.


Sure, but a QB that can run and pass is extremely rare.

More likely is a QB that has some escapability, like Burrow, which I think Nuss may have.

Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
3275 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:24 pm to
Nuss is gonna start and some of y'all really gonna be upset. I'm here for it.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:26 pm to
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Kelly has said repeatedly that he has two starting QBs on the team.


This. I would go with what coach said.
Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:27 pm to
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Sure, but a QB that can run and pass is extremely rare. More likely is a QB that has some escapability, like Burrow, which I think Nuss may have.


First…these days it’s not nearly as rare as it used to be. Caleb and JD could easily be the 1st 2 off the board in the draft.

Second…you may be under the impression I don’t like Nuss. I think Nuss is good enough to help us win the SEC. But we need a very good to great defense at least..whereas I think we only needed a barely average defense for JD to lead us to an SEC title.
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 5:31 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26831 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:28 pm to
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Nuss is gonna start and some of y'all really gonna be upset. I'm here for it.


I have no issue with it. I hope he is the guy, because I'm a traditionalist and would rather our good players come from within.

But if he's not the guy, I have no problem with the coaches going out and getting someone else.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26831 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:37 pm to

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First…these days it’s not nearly as rare as it used to be. Caleb and JD could easily be the 1st 2 off the board in the draft.


So your argument that it's not as rare as it used to be is to name possibly the last two Heisman winners?

There were only 8 quarterbacks in the Power 5 (69 teams, nice) that had over 500 yards rushing in 2023. About half of those played on horrible teams and were just running for their lives and would not really be considered true dual threat QBs. I don't think I would want any of them at LSU.

It's pretty rare.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
4933 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:44 pm to
I'm surprised the number of people that say LSU for sure will take a QB.

Repeatedly, CBK has said Nuss is a good QB. Last year he told everybody that would listen that he had two great QB's that any team would want.

As for the offense, I'm confident Denbrook will design a good offense around what he has.

As for Nuss, being the guy changes everything about how a QB prepares, studies, and practices. Luckily he had a front row seat to watching JD#5 put in the work to be elite. Hopefully he will use that to his advantage.

Also, LSU has a high rated recruit in Collins and a 5 star coming in. It seems like Kelly wants to develop the room rather than get transfers.

I'm not saying CBK will not get a transfer QB, but if he does then all indicators would be Nuss has not developed and will be moving on.
Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:48 pm to
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So your argument that it's not as rare as it used to be is to name possibly the last two Heisman winners?


Your top teams in the NFL pretty much have dual threat QBs…Mahomes, Hurts, Allen, Jackson…I know we’re talking college…but still..
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:10 pm to
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Do you go out and get competition and depth


You go get the best player. If he's better than Nuss, so be it.
Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
3275 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:16 pm to
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Last year he told everybody that would listen


He also said before Florida game that Nuss "was too good of a quarterback". Even if someone thinks he's lying for some reason it sure sounds like he's trying hard to keep him on the roster. Similar to splitting drives in last year's bowl which was to keep him from transferring. No reason to do that if you have no faith in the guy.
Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
3275 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:17 pm to
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You go get the best player


And if the "best player" says I'm not coming without a guarantee? How do you know ahead of time they are the best player?
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12001 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:25 pm to
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that's coach speak, my man.



Kelly also said, we want to recruit better and not depend on the Portal.
If we go to the Portal amd get an experienced QB, does that affect Hurley and Bryce Underwood.


Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1597 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:27 pm to
He’s not going to have the running threat of JD. Very few QB’s do. He does have the ability to be as mobile as JB though and with his arm talent can be a star in this system.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
8930 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:35 pm to

C.
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That is what we don’t know.


It's C

CBK has said many times how much they think of Nuss.

That's all we have to go on.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 8:50 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20429 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:46 pm to
Unless you're running a gimmick or specialized scheme, most coaches can with with either a pocket or a dual-threat QB. LSU ran a passing offense, where the QB happened to be able to run. Very few designed runs, no options etc. A pocket guy with normal mobility would do well, he just wouldn't have RB numbers.

I feel confident that it's Nuss next year (and I'm one of the guys that was confident it was Daniels the past 2).
One of the reasons is that Kelly set up some leadership positions in the offseason to help guide the other players on the team; Daniels was one, so was Nabers. I think Wingo was one.
I remember distinctly that Nussmeier was also one. I think it says something that your young backup QB is given a leadership position- he was being groomed to take over the team upcoming.
This came out about the same time Walker Howard transferred, so it wouldn't surprise me if it became clear Nuss was the heir apparent, and that was why Howard left.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:08 pm to
Who knows

Dude got more snaps last year than this year

Thanks suck arse defense
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