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re: What are your REAL thoughts on the LSU program?

Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:59 am to
Posted by PrattLSU
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:59 am to
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The program is fine


respectfully disagree.

This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 10:00 am
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:01 am to
I've said it before....Miles looks like a guy who won a contest to coach the team for Saturday. It hit me in the face when he tried to call the TO against Tenn & was tackled & has just gotten worse.

He is completely out of touch with the majority of the fan base (hence his, "I have no idea why people would choose to root negatively.") & if you think that doesn't matter, you're a moron.

I don't feel that he's taken anything from me personally. But he is steering the ship in the wrong direction IMO. All you have to do is watch the games...don't overcomplicate it, just watch the games.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:02 am to
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respectfully disagree.


you don't have to be respecful

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I am consumed by it all year


bad sign dude, get a life

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there is just something about the current state of things that just uninspires me.


The LSU football programs job is to inspire you?
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He has taken something from me that I literally think about every day of the year with an incredible passion and made it die down a little.


I know a shrink you really should see.

Very very frightening dude, please get some help


Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:03 am to
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I don't feel that he's taken anything from me personally


I'm simply referring to the fact that he has taken my beloved Tigers and made them somewhat uninspiring. Nothing more...I'm not going to kill myself

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But he is steering the ship in the wrong direction IMO. All you have to do is watch the games...don't overcomplicate it, just watch the games.


good point
Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:03 am to
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danfraz


Jesus Christ dude lighten up. Some people are different from you. Deal with it.
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 10:04 am
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:05 am to
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frick all you people with "his record is this, and his bowl record is that." That man has taken something from me and I will never forgive him for it.


frick you right back...Pratt. His record is 50-13...his bowl record is 4-0 which includes a stomping of ohiost for an undisputed natcham. What has the man really taken away from you? Not a damn thing. He's made the most out of a bad situation because we're not nearly as talented as you delusional fricks think we are. Your loss of spirit tells more about you than anything Les Miles may or may not have done.
Posted by PrattLSU
Tolliver with 2 L's kid
Member since Aug 2004
4844 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:05 am to
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frick you right back...Pratt. His record is 50-13...his bowl record is 4-0 which includes a stomping of ohiost for an undisputed natcham. What has the man really taken away from you? Not a damn thing. He's made the most out of a bad situation because we're not nearly as talented as you delusional fricks think we are. Your loss of spirit tells more about you than anything Les Miles may or may not have done.


ok
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10710 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:06 am to
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I find myself asking "wtf are they doing?" on offence a lot more. IMO this team needs to abandon this lame and useless offence and run a pro-style conventional scheme. They have all the pieces to do it with and god forbid if Jefferson goes down again, it would suit Interception Man a lot better. Two seasons is enough for me see this crap of Crowton's and know its just not going to work anymore. But that said, I still enjoy LSU football very much.


The same offense was on display last night for the Browns with B. Quinn at QB. Multiple bubble screens which the Ravens held for maybe 2 yards or negative yardage, then on successive drives very short passes to receivers ~ 4 yards past the line of scrimmage turned into interceptions, one was a pick 6, the other run back about 15 yards. I looked at it and thought why does anyone run this incompetent shite. The coach obviously has little trust in Quinn or the OL in front of him. Not saying it is exactly the same with LSU, but good D's aren't going to allow an offense to move on them with short yardage plays out of obvious formations.

The offense hasn't been fun to watch since 2007 due to poor quarterbacking but this year Jefferson has improved and it's the play calling, game management, and stupid penalties that kill successful plays and puts the team in holes they can't dig out of most possessions. I mean how many times can one convert a 3rd and 20+ critical situation like against Bama and have it called back due to a bonehead false start by an O lineman who has been called for the same thing numerous times this season. I applaud the defensive improvement and continued good play by the special teams, the O needs to improve or change should be made.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:06 am to
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dude lighten up


I should lighten up when you are the one posting about something being taken from you by a man who is coaching a football team that you are a fan of?
Posted by Run DMC
somewhere in Louisiana it's tricky
Member since Jan 2007
6207 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:06 am to
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I don't expect perfection, but I hope for the pursuit of it.


This
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62044 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:07 am to
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That we will never be a dominant, respected team again.



We're still very much respected, but when were we this dominant team you speak of? '03 is really the only season you can point to, and even then we lost to a very average Florida team at home. And we scored zero offensive points that game. Hardly dominant. Which other Saban team was dominant? The '00 one that lost 4 games? The '01 one that lost 3? The '02 one that lost 5? The 04 one that lost 3? Please point out to me this string of dominant teams we fielded that Les has so cruely destroyed. If anything, the 2 most dominant teams we've had back to back recently were the '05 and '06 ones--both under Les. (though I suppose you could argue '03/'04, but that '04 offense was bad) And the most dominant 3 year stretch was '05/'06'07. Again, under Les.




Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
62044 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:07 am to
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That man has taken something from me and I will never forgive him for it.








what a fricking loser
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
12410 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:07 am to
i think part of the problem is this. during the last several years, LSU has been really good while bama was down. our biggest speed bump in the west was auburn, and it seemed whichever team had the home game that year would win the west, all the while bama was down, arky was up and down, miss st was miss st....

then mix in the fact we play fla every year. in previous years, LSU has been as good or better than the 2 teams that are undefeated this year (bama/uf), and we played them well. i'll throw last year out the window. i don't think its fair to judge any coach on that season based on things that went on such as (complacency after just winning it all, losing a 5th year senior, losing other quality seniors, losing you Def Co.), but i must admit, this year, and i know we're breaking in yet another new qb, i feel somewhat like pratt feels.

i will always support the team, the players and go to every home game and some road games, it just 'feels' like we're slipping, and i think some of that has to do with what another poster said about bama moving up as quickly as they have, and UF's success. we need to be even with them, and we have the talent to do it, it just seems like something is missing that wont allow us to stay par. i wish i had the answer, but i'll watch and root while hoping things work out.

Posted by bulmoss
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
303 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:12 am to
Our expectations have gone too high.

The past two years, only Florida, Alabama, and Texas have been truly in the running the entire time. Ohio State, USC, and Oklahoma fans have probably reached the point that many LSU fans are at, what's the point now that we don't have a shot at the biggest prize.

We're upset or let down because of the underachieving offense and lack of dominance that we expect. There are many thoughts that start with, "we won, BUT...".

Being bored with the chance at the biggest prizes already gone makes us results-based. We'd like to see better performances and say we're performance-based, but we'd still be upset if those better performances still resulted in a 9-3 record. It's because we shoot for the stars now.

With no playoff, half of the truly elite teams (mentioned above) can already close the book on this season - this isn't a plea for a playoff. Until you can lower expectations or just try to enjoy each performance as they come, it's easy to become disinterested.

To each, his own.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:15 am to
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He's made the most out of a bad situation because we're not nearly as talented as you delusional fricks think we are.


whose fault is that?

BTW-I agree...to a certain extent. For example, the only thing that kept us in the Bama game was extraordinary effort by a few great players (e.g. Charles Scott, Peterson)...certainly wasn't coaching or game plan, & definitely wasn't the terrific halftime adjustments.


Also, the talent we have is terrible underdeveloped (overall).
Posted by Lee Chatelain
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Oct 2008
12195 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:17 am to
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PrattLSU


I think that Miles has instilled a mentality that mediocrity is not all that bad. That as long as you win the games you are supposed to, and that you give a decent effort in the hard games and don't get blown out, than things will be fine.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:19 am to
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With no playoff, half of the truly elite teams (mentioned above) can already close the book on this season - this isn't a plea for a playoff. Until you can lower expectations or just try to enjoy each performance as they come, it's easy to become disinterested.


The idea that you can't get a team or its fanbase interested in the possibility of a 10-2 regular season, plus an extra game against a good opponent that you normally would never play, is a real indictment of the team, its coaches and the fanbase. And if that weren't enough motivation (which it should be, and more later on what the real motivation ought to be), remember that your finish this year with a young team that returns its core talent next year is quite relevant to where you are positioned at the start of next year. Finallly, if these "elite" athletes, even though they are mere adolescents, can't get motivated simply by the idea of playing to their potential in a great program, then there is something wrong with whom we are recruiting or how we are teaching them--or both.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36825 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:22 am to
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It hit me in the face when he tried to call the TO against Tenn & was tackled & has just gotten worse.


Wow. So in his second game and first loss four years ago you just decided to dump on the guy ? Even though he won 11 games that year and the next,and a National Title two years later, the attempt at a timeout was all you needed ?

Miles may not be Knute Rockne,but comments like this are just insane.
Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard 9-4
Member since Oct 2003
5572 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:24 am to
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He is completely out of touch with the majority of the fan base (hence his, "I have no idea why people would choose to root negatively.") & if you think that doesn't matter, you're a moron.
And the majority of the fan base is completely out of touch with what it takes to run a successful major program and equates how Miles talks in a press conference to how he runs the program. Who is the moron, the minimum wager bitching about a successful coach making over 3 million dollars per year or the successful coach asking fans not to boo his young student-athelets.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89759 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:24 am to
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I think that Miles has instilled a mentality that mediocrity is not all that bad. That as long as you win the games you are supposed to, and that you give a decent effort in the hard games and don't get blown out, than things will be fine.


8-2 and Top 10 is mediocre? what is above average to you? #2 in the country?
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