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re: We blitzed on almost every 3rd down in the first half
Posted on 9/7/09 at 9:53 pm to deSandman
Posted on 9/7/09 at 9:53 pm to deSandman
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I believe he's trying to act like a badass because a technical definition of "blitz" is sending more rushers than blockers. But EVERYONE in conversation refers to sending a non-d-lineman as a blitz.
You should edit to say everyone who knows pretty much nothing about football refers to a non d lineman as a blitz. While this is a large population, it is still ignorant.
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Posted on 9/7/09 at 9:58 pm to Maximus
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Is blitzing Harry COleman and dropping Rahim Alem into coverage smart?
Using a DE to play shallow coverage is a standard tactic if he is athletic enough. Zone blitzes can be your friend.
4:28
At 4:28, you will see a great example of a zone blitz where the DE drops back into coverage (zone).
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:11 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
Yeah, we should definitely drop our only pass rusher into coverage half the time so Riley and Cutrera can play pattycakes with an offensive guard 12 yards away from the QB because Marcus Spears once got a pass thrown into his gut.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:14 pm to ShortyRob
so does that mean that I'm allowed back in this thread? 
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:16 pm to Colonel Hapablap
LSUREP is like 15 years old btw
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:24 pm to LSURep864
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But our fan base thinks that it's impossible to have a bad play if you blitz. And that if you give up a bunch of yards you didn't blitz enough.
Please go back and watch the film we brought at least an LB on almost every 3rd down. I'm about to watch the 2nd half.
that may be true but the bottom line is that we couldnt ever get consistent pressure on Locker, and even if we did, which was seldom, he would avoid it easily
now I know Locker is a good athlete but with their o-line, we should have gotten a lot more pressure on him
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:26 pm to Colonel Hapablap
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so does that mean that I'm allowed back in this thread?
 of course.
It is always amusing when people say stuff like the OP
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:27 pm to Maximus
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And the 5th guy was almost always a delayed, slow Riley or Cutrera running right into the first blocker they saw and not even getting more than 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage by the time the ball was thrown
Let's assume for the sake of argument that this is true. Wouldn't that be more of an individual performance issue, rather than a Miles/Chavis scheme issue?
If Chavis dials up the exact right blitz, but the LB physically can't get to the QB, is it completely Chavis' fault? Let's face it, the LB's have been poorly coached for a while now. Chavis, whose biggest TN critics admit is a superb LB coach, is undoubtedly having to undo a lot of bad habits in our current LB's, on top of teaching everyone a new scheme.
If the blitzes were as plain jane as you describe, obviously that's something you'd like to see change. But if the real problem is that the blitzes called aren't being executed properly by the heretofore badly-coached LB's, that's something has a strong chance of improving as the year goes on.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:30 pm to Martin Blank
depends. If you dial up the exact right blitz with the expectation that all of the guys do what you know they can do, then it's a performance issue.
If you dial up the exact right blitz with the expectation that the players will do something that they've never done before (e.g., run fast), then it's a coaching issue.
If you dial up the exact right blitz with the expectation that the players will do something that they've never done before (e.g., run fast), then it's a coaching issue.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:32 pm to Martin Blank
At what point do you realize that they are terribble blitzers, who think the goal of a blitz is to chicken fight with an offensive guard a mile from the QB, and stop dialing it up?
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:36 pm to Pilot Tiger
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And blitzing on 3rd and 12 is stupid anyways
Oh really?
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:40 pm to Colonel Hapablap
I think it's more than just pure speed, quickness or timing. Getting to the QB is a separate skill. There are plenty of big, strong, quick guys who don't get many sacks. Heck, Cutrera showed off plenty of speed on the pick 6. But he sure has trouble getting past the person trying to block him.
I think Chavis is having to teach these guys, probably from the ground up after the BDP years, how to blitz effectively. And I don't think any of them are anywhere near there yet. So I think that's what we're seeing as much as anything.
I agree 110% that asking a guy to do something he isn't capable of is a coaching issue, rather than a performance issue. But right now Chavis has the choice of blitzing guys who aren't good blitzers because they've been on the BDP program for several years, or not blitzing at all. I think what we saw a lot of last night was Chavis taking the better of two not-so-great options. But that's also something we should see improve as the year goes on. If not, maybe it is a Chavis/Miles issue.
I think Chavis is having to teach these guys, probably from the ground up after the BDP years, how to blitz effectively. And I don't think any of them are anywhere near there yet. So I think that's what we're seeing as much as anything.
I agree 110% that asking a guy to do something he isn't capable of is a coaching issue, rather than a performance issue. But right now Chavis has the choice of blitzing guys who aren't good blitzers because they've been on the BDP program for several years, or not blitzing at all. I think what we saw a lot of last night was Chavis taking the better of two not-so-great options. But that's also something we should see improve as the year goes on. If not, maybe it is a Chavis/Miles issue.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:47 pm to Maximus
But then is he "soft," "non-aggressive," "read and react," or a million other buzzwords?
Like I said above, if Chavis' choices are blitzing with BDP-ized LB's, and not blitzing at all, he's probably making the better of two bad choices. But the LB's being bad blitzers is at least somewhat coachable for this year, and definitely coachable in the future for the younger LB's who won't have the BDP bad habits to uncoach out of them. It's definitely not some sign that LSU is doomed, now and in the future, to forevermore be unable to blitz and pressure the QB.
Like I said above, if Chavis' choices are blitzing with BDP-ized LB's, and not blitzing at all, he's probably making the better of two bad choices. But the LB's being bad blitzers is at least somewhat coachable for this year, and definitely coachable in the future for the younger LB's who won't have the BDP bad habits to uncoach out of them. It's definitely not some sign that LSU is doomed, now and in the future, to forevermore be unable to blitz and pressure the QB.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:47 pm to Martin Blank
I believe the blitzing will get better as the season goes on. I know we did get burned on that all out blitz, however, sometimes you live by the blitz and die by the blitz. With that being said, it was also a great call that Sark dialed up just at the right time. Now if we would have been successful on this play, we probably would have not been having this discussion. I just take it for what it is worth. We have to give Jake Locker credit for being able to expose some of our weaknesses. If we dial that same blitz when we are playing a quarterback such as McElroy or whatever the guy's name is then I'm sure he will be picking himself off the ground or panicking and throwing interception. Either way, I love blitzing period. 
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:51 pm to Martin Blank
if all you have is shitty blitzers, why do you ALWAYS bring 5? Wouldn't it be better to either go all out and bring 1 extra guy or don't go at all and cover everyone?
Posted on 9/7/09 at 10:56 pm to Colonel Hapablap
If you know the 6th blitzer will get there, then that's a pretty good point. If the 6th man also can't get there, though, you're probably going to give up a pretty big play. But at least you've gone down swinging.
And God help us all if Chavis just decided no one was good neough to blitz, and we just rushed 4 and covered 7 all game. There'd be sparks shooting out of the servers. Given those choices, I'm with you - send 6 and damn the torpedoes.
And God help us all if Chavis just decided no one was good neough to blitz, and we just rushed 4 and covered 7 all game. There'd be sparks shooting out of the servers. Given those choices, I'm with you - send 6 and damn the torpedoes.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 11:05 pm to Maximus
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Yeah, we should definitely drop our only pass rusher into coverage half the time so Riley and Cutrera can play pattycakes with an offensive guard
excellent description of what happened.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 11:06 pm to LSURep864
I thought we blitzed plenty. The only thing I didn't like were our safeties playing 22 yards off the ball on a 3rd and 14 and going into a back-pedal. They have to know the game condition and make an adjustment.
Posted on 9/7/09 at 11:09 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
I didn't watch the vid but Saban also dropped his DE into zone coverage when he ran the 4-3 defense. Remember Spears getting the interception against OU for the TD.
This post was edited on 9/7/09 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 9/7/09 at 11:09 pm to moneyg
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excellent description of what happened.
explain how it really happened
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