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re: Watching LSU vs Tennessee 1959
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:39 pm to DallasTiger45
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:39 pm to DallasTiger45
Right! Was for '58 season & Baker winning over Stoval still may be worst selection ever in Heisman.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:52 pm to Chaseff
Like it or not, it's a solid point, the game then was perfectly fitted to Miles' coaching style.
Also about the 2-point conversion, it's worth noting the decision to go for two like that and not just tie it. Kickers weren't as accurate from further out, points were tough to come by, so it was a much greater risk.
Also about the 2-point conversion, it's worth noting the decision to go for two like that and not just tie it. Kickers weren't as accurate from further out, points were tough to come by, so it was a much greater risk.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:06 pm to Jmwtigre
Wtf???????
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:54 pm to Tiger Ugly
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My Dad was there and was sitting right at the goal line where Cannon went for the 2 to win. He said till his dying day cannon was over and it cost us back-to-back as champions were declared before the bowls back then.
I've heard many old timer tell this story.
Does the vid in the OP have the conversion?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:01 pm to tjohn deaux
My dad, a freshman in 1959, played for Dietzel. They punted on 3rd down whenever on LSU's side of 50 yd line. The thinking was to have an extra down if snap was bad or mishandled. My father said the team bought into that concept, but in hindsight was not the best thinking.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:04 pm to tjohn deaux
The two point conversion was made by Cannon. Photo next day in Knoxville paper confirmed it.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:47 pm to tjohn deaux
Rabb, Cannon, Robinson & Broadnax! Man thanks this brings back so many good memories for a then 12 yr. old. Another reply I said the two point conversion was good based on a photo shot down the goal line at "point lank" range showed both knees still driving as Cannon put the forward 1/3 of ball across the plane on the two point conversion...would have given 15-14 lead.
Later that 4th quarter the bad exchange between Cannon and Rabb resulted in a Tennessee takeover. Cannon as one can see was extremely quick through the hole, speed to burn and a bull to bring down. Tenn did a fair job catching him on lateral runs. Broadnax (fullback #44) was a bull. Robinson (#34) didn't have his best day as I recall, but a hell of a halfback as well and 1st team SEC.
The LSU exchange fumble and #16 QB (?) interception hurt the Tigers that day. Rabb was #12, so don't know for sure...maybe Matherne?? Defense could get after it! By the way, that would have been 19 straight if they would have gotten credit for the 2-pt conversion. The only other game lost that year was the rematch in the Sugar Bowl with Ole Miss. Does a rematch loss of 21-0 remind anybody of another game?
Cannon signed a contract with the Houston Oilers under the goal post at the Sugar Bowl for $100K in the AFL that would start in 1960...it was the largest signing bonus ever to that date.
In November 1959, Cannon signed a contract with Los Angeles Rams general manager Pete Rozelle, in which he agreed to play for the Rams in the National Football League.[46] The contract was for three years for $30,000, plus a $10,000 signing bonus.[46] Two months later, on the field after LSU's Sugar Bowl loss, Cannon signed another contract; this one was with the American Football League's Houston Oilers, whose owner Bud Adams offered Cannon $33,000 a year for three years with a $10,000 signing bonus.[47] At Cannon's request, Adams also promised him a Cadillac for his father.[48] When word got out that he had signed with two different teams, the Rams filed a suit that claimed Cannon was bound by their contract and could not sign with Houston.[49][50] Judge William Lindberg ruled against the Rams, stating the contracts were void and that Rozelle had taken advantage of Cannon's naivete. Lindberg described Cannon as "exceptionally naive ... a provincial lad untutored and unwise in the ways of the business world."[51] The AFL's victory against the established NFL helped bring legitimacy to the fledgling league.[52][53][54] After the ruling Cannon finalized his contract to play in the AFL for the Oilers. The contract made him the first $100,000 professional football player.[
Stuck in the past...Larry289
Later that 4th quarter the bad exchange between Cannon and Rabb resulted in a Tennessee takeover. Cannon as one can see was extremely quick through the hole, speed to burn and a bull to bring down. Tenn did a fair job catching him on lateral runs. Broadnax (fullback #44) was a bull. Robinson (#34) didn't have his best day as I recall, but a hell of a halfback as well and 1st team SEC.
The LSU exchange fumble and #16 QB (?) interception hurt the Tigers that day. Rabb was #12, so don't know for sure...maybe Matherne?? Defense could get after it! By the way, that would have been 19 straight if they would have gotten credit for the 2-pt conversion. The only other game lost that year was the rematch in the Sugar Bowl with Ole Miss. Does a rematch loss of 21-0 remind anybody of another game?
Cannon signed a contract with the Houston Oilers under the goal post at the Sugar Bowl for $100K in the AFL that would start in 1960...it was the largest signing bonus ever to that date.
In November 1959, Cannon signed a contract with Los Angeles Rams general manager Pete Rozelle, in which he agreed to play for the Rams in the National Football League.[46] The contract was for three years for $30,000, plus a $10,000 signing bonus.[46] Two months later, on the field after LSU's Sugar Bowl loss, Cannon signed another contract; this one was with the American Football League's Houston Oilers, whose owner Bud Adams offered Cannon $33,000 a year for three years with a $10,000 signing bonus.[47] At Cannon's request, Adams also promised him a Cadillac for his father.[48] When word got out that he had signed with two different teams, the Rams filed a suit that claimed Cannon was bound by their contract and could not sign with Houston.[49][50] Judge William Lindberg ruled against the Rams, stating the contracts were void and that Rozelle had taken advantage of Cannon's naivete. Lindberg described Cannon as "exceptionally naive ... a provincial lad untutored and unwise in the ways of the business world."[51] The AFL's victory against the established NFL helped bring legitimacy to the fledgling league.[52][53][54] After the ruling Cannon finalized his contract to play in the AFL for the Oilers. The contract made him the first $100,000 professional football player.[
Stuck in the past...Larry289
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:59 pm to Tiger Ugly
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My Dad was there and was sitting right at the goal line where Cannon went for the 2 to win. He said till his dying day cannon was over and it cost us back-to-back as champions were declared before the bowls back then.
You are correct sir, see my note. I had a copy of the Knoxville newspaper from the next day (Sunday) with the photo showing absolute proof that 1/3 of the ball was across. Kept it for years, then gave it to a friend. Wish I had that photo to share with this board as I've brought it up at least 10x!
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:08 pm to Jmwtigre
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Also probably cost Cannon the 1959 Heisman. Terry Baker? Won Heisman.
No, Cannon won 59 Heisman. I believe Baker won in 60 or possibly 61 when Jerry Stovall came in 2nd behind him...my memory fades.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:14 pm to tjohn deaux
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Also about the 2-point conversion, it's worth noting the decision to go for two like that and not just tie it. Kickers weren't as accurate from further out, points were tough to come by, so it was a much greater risk.
Right on the first point, Dietzel was not going to settle for a tie. Extra points were just as they are now. Ball on 3 yd line with kick point from the 10...total 20 yds just as now. As for the accuracy, I don't recall any particular problem with extra points in those days.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:16 pm to tjohn deaux
LSU ran from what was termed a winged T in those days. Pop quiq: Who can identify the formation Tennessee ran from??
Hint...it's a variation on a "single wing" formation.
Hint...it's a variation on a "single wing" formation.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:20 pm to tjohn deaux
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Each time they did it they were deep in their own territory, so I assume it was to catch them without their return team on the field to try and change field position.
This is correct and also, from I believe John Ferguson, it was also to provide a 2nd chance in the event of a rush whereby the kicker would just eat the ball and they could try again. My memory is rusty, but I do recall him saying that.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:26 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Does the vid in the OP have the conversion?
It does, but it is from likely press box area. The view is down and the attempt was on the left of screen. Yes, it is shown on the video, but you can't see anything that would prove it. That said, the Knoxville paper the next morning certainly did.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:41 pm to Jmwtigre
1958 roster with Cannon listed as JR. Only 3 SR's listed on this roster.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:53 pm to larry289
What I meant about the kicking accuracy was not getting the 2-point conversion and hoping for getting into field goal range later for 3. Taking a chance on being down by 1 point was a bigger chance due to having to get much closer for a 3-point field goal later.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:55 pm to larry289
The box?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 4:59 pm to tjohn deaux
My dad is still pissed about this game. 
Posted on 1/16/17 at 5:09 pm to larry289
I remember Sicily Island used to run a box whit a back named Carlton Finister. They dominated with that offense, I believe it was late 70s
Posted on 1/16/17 at 5:12 pm to tjohn deaux
back then it was said that 3 things could happen on a passing play & 2 of them were bad. you also had different substitution rules which led to people playing both ways nearly all the time. lastly, if you want to watch the 1959 LSU/Ole Piss game, Johnny Vaught punted on 1st down when he had the 3-0 lead. he was letting LSU make all the mistakes until Billy ran the punt back.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 5:14 pm to bruce2129
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lastly, if you want to watch the 1959 LSU/Ole Piss game, Johnny Vaught punted on 1st down when he had the 3-0 lead. he was letting LSU make all the mistakes until Billy ran the punt back.
What down was the Cannon return punt?
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