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Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:31 pm to tjohn deaux
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I remember Sicily Island used to run a box whit a back named Carlton Finister. They dominated with that offense, I believe it was late 70s
It was the Notre Dame box. We (UHigh) played them in the '74 state championship, and they were running it.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:10 pm to tjohn deaux
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What I meant about the kicking accuracy was not getting the 2-point conversion and hoping for getting into field goal range later for 3. Taking a chance on being down by 1 point was a bigger chance due to having to get much closer for a 3-point field goal later.
In that context it does make more sense. Long field goals weren't that common. Trying to recollect who our field goal kicker was...maybe Tommy Davis, but he may have been a few years later.
I believe with the amount of time left, Dietzel believed this team was not going to be denied.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:19 pm to Jimmydatiger
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If I recall my history correctly future Louisiana legislator Hank Lauricella played for Tenn that year and was a Volunteer legend, is that right?
Jimmydatiger,
In threads from this era I try to stay away from internet searches and deal from the memory deck only. That name does not ring a bell with me at all, but that doesn't mean it isn't correct.
I've been a fan since the age of 10, 1956 and certain periods have stuck pretty good, but I tend to start missing players' team by a year or two once I get past '62.
That's like the Terry Baker vs Jerry Stovall Heisman comment previously, I thought it was 60 or 62 and it was actually 61.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:30 pm to MondayMorningMarch
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It was the Notre Dame box.
We have a winner. The Notre Dame box was a more modern variation of the single wing formation.
A single wing includes the tailback (primary ball carrier), quarterback, blocking back, and a wingback. My team in high school (60-64) ran this, sometimes the wingback would be split away from the LOS like a slot receiver today. He was only used on reverse plays when lined up in the slot position. The name of the game in single wing is run-run-run-run-run and pass twice a game.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:35 pm to larry289
Understand Larry, gotta keep the gears turning. I did look it up just now on the Google machine and Lauricella played roughly a decade earlier at Tenn so was not in on the classic game in 1959. He finished 2nd in 1951 Heisman voting. So I'm wrong, not the first time. Thanks again for the great Tiger history lesson 
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:53 pm to Jimmydatiger
Jimmydatiger,
Did a google thing for the photo, but couldn't find. BUT, I did find this on a Tennessee site. Tennessee's stop of Cannon's 2-pt conversion ranks #5 all-time in Tennessee's greatest plays. Scroll down the page and they have the audio link to the play from their broadcast.
Cannon 2 point conversion '59 vs Tennessee
Did a google thing for the photo, but couldn't find. BUT, I did find this on a Tennessee site. Tennessee's stop of Cannon's 2-pt conversion ranks #5 all-time in Tennessee's greatest plays. Scroll down the page and they have the audio link to the play from their broadcast.
Cannon 2 point conversion '59 vs Tennessee
Posted on 1/17/17 at 5:45 am to larry289
I was 13 at that time. Had started going to games in 58, when we moved back to BR. I was spoiled by that first season. After beating Ole Miss, I expected back to back championships. We out gained UT by a lot, but Cannon fumbled deep in our territory, and Rabb threw an int deep as well. I believed that Cannon scored on the 2 pt, and that we got screwed by the refs. Resented UT till this day.
Now living in Tn, it makes it sweet to see their defeat. But, the best was in 2001, when we beat them in the SEC Champ game. It was a huge upset that deprived UT from playing for the National Championship game in the Rose Bowl. Many UT fans had already booked their plane, hotel, tickets, etc. UT had two future All-Pro DTs, John Henderson, and Albert Haynesworth, and got repeatedly beat by QB draws. UT had won the NC in 98 and this would have maintained the momentum of success, especially in recruiting, which UT depends on national recruits. So, I like to think that we deprived them of a NC, AND started their decline by tarnishing their image to national recruits.. Fulmer was never the same. A small measure of revenge. Yeah, I can hold a grudge.
Now living in Tn, it makes it sweet to see their defeat. But, the best was in 2001, when we beat them in the SEC Champ game. It was a huge upset that deprived UT from playing for the National Championship game in the Rose Bowl. Many UT fans had already booked their plane, hotel, tickets, etc. UT had two future All-Pro DTs, John Henderson, and Albert Haynesworth, and got repeatedly beat by QB draws. UT had won the NC in 98 and this would have maintained the momentum of success, especially in recruiting, which UT depends on national recruits. So, I like to think that we deprived them of a NC, AND started their decline by tarnishing their image to national recruits.. Fulmer was never the same. A small measure of revenge. Yeah, I can hold a grudge.
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:44 am to larry289
My sophomore year in high school,my high school lost to the same team twice. They ran The Notre Dame Box to perfection, we went 9-2, and our Conference Championship, we lost 44-14, the QB had well over 400 yards Total Offense
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:12 am to tjohn deaux
The big controversy about surrounding that game is weather Cannon scored on 4th down at the goal line. He insists that he was over. Does this film give a definitive answer? This call cost us another National Championship. I was probably throwing a fit although I was only one year old at the time.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:15 am to Jmwtigre
Baker beat out Stovall. Stovall should have won it. He played both ways. He went on to have a very good career with the Cardinals. Baker faded away instantly.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:18 am to larry289
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The two point conversion was made by Cannon. Photo next day in Knoxville paper confirmed it.
Yes he did. there was a video of it from the goal line. You could see he went over by more than a foot but was pushed back. the refs stole that one.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:29 pm to tjohn deaux
The first time I've seen it.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:34 pm to Brazos
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I can't think of one single advantage punting on 3rd down gives you. What was the point behind that strategy? I know it's a thing of the past but what was the point?
Back then the kicking game wasn't very polished and field position meant almost everything. Punting on 3rd down was a hedge against a snap being mishandled or a defender breaking through who could block the punt. A mistake like that was huge and would be worth taking extra precautions to prevent. Since substitution rules were different then and the same players would remain on the field through a change in possession, there was no concern of wearing out the defense. Also, given LSU's defensive prowess at the time, the chance of flipping field position and forcing a turnover was probably as good as or better than the chance of moving the ball into scoring position ourselves.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 6:18 pm to Brazos
If LSU's defense was on the field and wasn't able to move the ball, it might punt on 3rd down to improve field position. The rules put real limitations on substitutions. That was why so many players played both ways and were smaller in stature than they are today.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 7:53 pm to lsufball19
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here's the video with a still shot
Thanks for that video clip. The still shot is the exact position the Knoxville paper had shown in the photo that I am referring to. It was taken from the right sideline (as you look at your video shot) with a telephoto lens. In the video, you can see Cannon digging into and over a Tenn player.
The photo, as I recall, has the ball tucked under and below his right arm with left leg extended and right foot dug-in pushing toward the goal. I can see that photo just like it was yesterday with 1/3 of the ball across the plane. No elbow, knee , nothing had met the ground. There was also a Tenn player leaning over the top of him at the goal line trying to halt his progress. Don't know about the "foot across the goal line" comment unless the photo was taken before or after.
How's that for a recollection of a photo taken 57 yrs ago!!
PS, I too still despise Tenn for that game. We got the last laugh though in the 2000's!
Posted on 1/17/17 at 7:58 pm to Good Times
Good Times,
That puts me one year older than you, glad to know folks like ourselves still have those recollections of a special time in LSU football. I've been luck enough to see all three of LSU's national titles!
PS: The Cannon fumble you reference was actually just a bad exchange between he and Rabb. If you look in the video clip it's fairly easy to see. Not sure if it is Rabb though, couldn't see the number. Rabb as #12.
Good post.
That puts me one year older than you, glad to know folks like ourselves still have those recollections of a special time in LSU football. I've been luck enough to see all three of LSU's national titles!
PS: The Cannon fumble you reference was actually just a bad exchange between he and Rabb. If you look in the video clip it's fairly easy to see. Not sure if it is Rabb though, couldn't see the number. Rabb as #12.
Good post.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:02 pm to Good Times
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Yeah, I can hold a grudge.
Ditto!
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:05 pm to geauxpurple
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The big controversy about surrounding that game is weather Cannon scored on 4th down at the goal line. He insists that he was over. Does this film give a definitive answer? This call cost us another National Championship. I was probably throwing a fit although I was only one year old at the time.
The video can't confirm it as it was taken from the press box area, but the photo in the Knoxville paper the next day, Sunday, confirmed it.
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