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re: Watched the game again last night..........
Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:46 am to TigerDog83
Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:46 am to TigerDog83
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My take after watching the replay was that we need to stop running east west so much. We had several plays where on 1st and 10 RS and in one case Ridley tried to run around the outside only to take a loss.
So Russell Shepard's other 3 TD's (Auburn 2009, UNC, Vandy) would have never happened. Let's line Shepard up and run QB iso's right up the middle like we did last year for 3 yards.
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Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:46 am to Dead Fish
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Many times, really? JJ was 10 of 16 passing for a 62.5 percent completion rate in that game, and out of his 6 incompletions RS dropped two of them, one on a check off that would have been a first down and another one that would have been a touchdown. Another incompletion was on a fade route to Terrance Toliver that was close but no cigar, and another one was when Alfred Blue didn’t pick up the blitz and let the blitzing linebacker run right past him to hit JJ as he was in the process of throwing the ball causing the ball to fall short. Hence, that leaves 2 incompletions, which is hardly “many times,” but thanks for your thoroughly unbiased review. It is well respected.
Now, I did notice on a couple occasions when JJ was running for his life that there was an open receiver, but JJ couldn't get his body around to throw the ball and hence ran it for a short gain.
OH and I forgot to mention the screen pass to RS that would have been a touchdown that was batted down by the MSU linebacker on a good play. So that leaves just one pass. Still want to claim "many times?"
Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:51 am to Choupique19
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So Russell Shepard's other 3 TD's (Auburn 2009, UNC, Vandy) would have never happened. Let's line Shepard up and run QB iso's right up the middle like we did last year for 3 yards.
These situations were all in the red zone. On one it was a 2nd down and like 5 yards. If they are going to call a run that situation would be much more suited for an off tackle run to pick up the first down than trying a sweep around the outside. Of course passes would have been ideal in some of these situations as many people have pointed out.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:53 am to Broham
He threw to the sideline for Shepard once when Mitch Joseph broke wide open down the middle for what would have been an easy TD.
He just does not possess the ability process the information fast enough to make adjustments on the fly.
They are giving him one read and telling him to get what he can or throw it away if it isn't there.
The only time he'll have more than one read is on a rollout where they run three routes to teh same side at different yardage.
He just does not possess the ability process the information fast enough to make adjustments on the fly.
They are giving him one read and telling him to get what he can or throw it away if it isn't there.
The only time he'll have more than one read is on a rollout where they run three routes to teh same side at different yardage.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:58 am to OldManRiver
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What makes you think they don't? It is possible you know that no matter how hard they try, the kid just doesn't get it. Not every player shortcoming can be directly linked to a failure by the coaching staff.
If JJ is too dumb as you insinuate, then why hasn't the coaching staff made JL the starter?
Posted on 9/23/10 at 8:59 am to Dead Fish
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Crowton has dumbed down his offense at the Chicago Bears, BYU, and at Oregon before he ever arrived at LSU and apparently it still hasn’t been dumbed down enough because no quarterbacks at the aforementioned places, both pro and college, were able to run it successfully, and why should we be surprised that so for two quarterbacks at LSU have been unable to run it over here as well?
Matt Flynn could
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The Tigers averaged over 30 points a game in both 2007 and 2008, which included a school-record 38.6 points a contest in 2007. Only four times in school history LSU has scored over 400 points in a season and two of those have came under Crowton's watch - 541 in 2007 and 402 in 2008.
Kellen Clemens and Dennis Dixon could
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Crowton joined the Tigers after a two-year stint as the offensive coordinator at Oregon, where he overhauled the Ducks offense into one of the best in the nation. In 2006, Oregon ranked No. 9 in the nation in total offense, averaging 422.8 yards per game, which included 241 through the air and 182 on the ground. Oregon led the Pac-10 in both total offense and rushing. In his first year with Oregon in 2005, Crowton produced an offense that tallied the second-highest totals in school history in passing yards (304.5 per game) and points (34.5 per game). The Ducks ranked No. 8 in the nation in passing, No. 12 in scoring and No. 18 in total offense on their way to posting a 10-2 overall mark and reaching the Holiday Bowl.
Brandon Doman could
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Crowton's best year with BYU came in 2001 when he led the Cougars to a 12-2 overall mark, capped with an appearance in the Liberty Bowl. Crowton's BYU offense scored 40 or more points 10 times that year, including 70 points in a win over Tulane and 44 in a victory over California.
BYU led the nation in total offense (542.9 per game) and scoring (46.8 per game) in 2001 as the Cougars captured the Mountain West Conference title. Crowton was named the MWC Coach of the Year for his efforts in his first season at BYU.
A group of sucky QB's could
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In his first year with the Bears in 1999, Crowton's offense ranked No. 3 in the NFL in passing with an average of 258.5 yards per game. That year, the Bears established a franchise record with 4,136 passing yards behind a trio of quarterbacks.
Tim Rattay could
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Crowton's 1998 Louisiana Tech team proved to be one of the most potent offenses in the nation that year as the Bulldogs ranked No. 1 in the nation in passing yards with a 432.1 average behind All-American quarterback Tim Rattay. Tech finished the year ranked No. 2 in the nation in total offense, averaging 542 yards per game.
The 1998 Bulldog offense also featured future first round draft pick in wide receiver Troy Edwards. Rattay and Edwards teamed up for what was one of the most explosive offensive displays against a nationally-ranked team to open the 1998 season. In that game, Rattay threw for 590 yards, while Edwards caught 21 passes for an NCAA record 405 yards against fourth-ranked Nebraska. In 1997, a year that saw Crowton lead the Bulldogs to wins over California and Alabama, Louisiana Tech ranked No. 3 in the nation in passing (360.5 per game) and total offense (496.0 per game).
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:01 am to mt1
No matter how you slice it, JJ simply isn't a very good QB. He ain't the best, but apparently he's all that we got. We will continue to win games against teams that simply don't have the athletes to compete with us but our style of play WILL NOT get us by teams that are just as talented as us. Overall we have a very good team but our QB play just isn't up to par. I'm not a negatiger or positiger, just a realist.
BTW, I wish some stop throwing out JJ's completion percentage. Could you imagine what any hald-decent QB's would be if he only completed insanely short passes about 90% of the time. Our passing game generally consist of throwing short passes behind the down marker, then relying on our WR's to create space in the open field and work from there. That puts an awful lot of responsibility on the wideouts, especially considering they usually have to contort their bodies or completely stop their momentum to catch passes from an inaccurate QB.
BTW, I wish some stop throwing out JJ's completion percentage. Could you imagine what any hald-decent QB's would be if he only completed insanely short passes about 90% of the time. Our passing game generally consist of throwing short passes behind the down marker, then relying on our WR's to create space in the open field and work from there. That puts an awful lot of responsibility on the wideouts, especially considering they usually have to contort their bodies or completely stop their momentum to catch passes from an inaccurate QB.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:03 am to Broham
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Watched the game again last night..........
Why in the hell doesn't Jordan Jefferson scan the field.
I'm guessing someone else already said this, but the offense was scaled back to give JJ the one read or run option. Same thing they did with VY at Texas. Roll out, look at one receiver. If he's open, throw it, if not, tuck it and run. Too bad JJ is not VY.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:04 am to ellis1975
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No matter how you slice it, JJ simply isn't a very good QB.
This.
JJ is somewhat successful because he has very good players around.
JJ does not bring much to the table to make the team "better".
He is serviceable at best.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:05 am to Broham
This picture is funny considering Jeff is a regular poster on here. I sure hope that's not his daughter...
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:06 am to Dead Fish
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Dead Fish
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Many times, really? JJ was 10 of 16 passing for a 62.5 percent completion rate in that game, and out of his 6 incompletions RS dropped two of them, one on a check off that would have been a first down and another one that would have been a touchdown. Another incompletion was on a fade route to Terrance Toliver that was close but no cigar, and another one was when Alfred Blue didn’t pick up the blitz and let the blitzing linebacker run right past him to hit JJ as he was in the process of throwing the ball causing the ball to fall short. Hence, that leaves 2 incompletions, which is hardly “many times,” but thanks for your thoroughly unbiased review. It is well respected.
Wow, I guess you were absent the day they tought reading comprehension at school. The OP didn't say "many times JJ can't complete a pass". Which is all your post addresses is his pass completion percentage. Yes JJ was 10 for 16. Which means that he only through...get this...16 times. How many times did he drop back to throw? Here's a hint...It was more than 16 times. Which means that several times he didn't throw it because he looked to one receiver, then took off running when that one receiver was not open. He didn't say that JJ can't complete a pass when that one WR is open. Just that JJ seldom looks for the 2nd receiver.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:08 am to Dead Fish
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So that leaves just one pass. Still want to claim "many times?"
Yes, many times JJ doesn't look for his 2nd, 3rd, or 4th option at receiver. You suck at reading.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:08 am to Broham
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The coaches have to see this. Why don't they tell him to scan the f'n field.
Seriously I wish we would just stop bringing the crap up. JJ is who he is. He is not Ro or JR or even Matt Mauck.
He does a good job protecting the football. He can make all the throws LSU needs him 2 do. He is the best we have.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:08 am to Dead Fish
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Many times, really? JJ was 10 of 16 passing for a 62.5 percent completion rate in that game, and out of his 6 incompletions RS dropped two of them, one on a check off that would have been a first down and another one that would have been a touchdown. Another incompletion was on a fade route to Terrance Toliver that was close but no cigar, and another one was when Alfred Blue didn’t pick up the blitz and let the blitzing linebacker run right past him to hit JJ as he was in the process of throwing the ball causing the ball to fall short. Hence, that leaves 2 incompletions, which is hardly “many times,” but thanks for your thoroughly unbiased review. It is well respected.
Now, I did notice on a couple occasions when JJ was running for his life that there was an open receiver, but JJ couldn't get his body around to throw the ball and hence ran it for a short gain.
His passer rating could've been perfect. It still has nothing to do what I'm talking about. He looks at one receiver then takes off running when other receivers are OPEN. That has nothing to do with his completion percentage.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:09 am to Broham
Because he is not a good quarterback
Because he is incapable
Because he is not D1 caliber
Because he is hasn't got the vision or poise to make the reads
Because the only way he can complete a pass is if the receiver is wide open and he has the time to lock on to him
Because he doesn't have the release to get the ball out
Because he doesn't have the ability to step up in the pocket to avoid the rush and get more time
Pick one.
Because he is incapable
Because he is not D1 caliber
Because he is hasn't got the vision or poise to make the reads
Because the only way he can complete a pass is if the receiver is wide open and he has the time to lock on to him
Because he doesn't have the release to get the ball out
Because he doesn't have the ability to step up in the pocket to avoid the rush and get more time
Pick one.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:11 am to Lsupimp
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Wow. that's probably never ocurred to them !
Run down to the football office and alert them.
Say "tell JJ to scan the field".
Well fricking fix the problem. If Jefferson can't do it, find someone who can. Our coaching staff is a JOKE.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:12 am to Dead Fish
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OH and I forgot to mention the screen pass to RS that would have been a touchdown that was batted down by the MSU linebacker on a good play. So that leaves just one pass. Still want to claim "many times?"
Dude, you're an idiot.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:13 am to Chicot
I have gotten to a point where I'm no longer disappointed in JJ's shortcomings at the QB spot, but rather feel kinda bad for this kid. He is probably trying as hard as he can but he just doesn't seem to be progressing into what the team really needs. I'm at the point where I would like to see JL but it would not sit well with fans if we found out that JL really is the same player he was 2 yrs ago.
I just hope we can still some tough games here and there and only finish with 2 losses. While I don't like Coach Miles' coaching style, I can't argue with his results. I have done away with the notion of ever playing dominant and just we can Win Baby Win!!!
I just hope we can still some tough games here and there and only finish with 2 losses. While I don't like Coach Miles' coaching style, I can't argue with his results. I have done away with the notion of ever playing dominant and just we can Win Baby Win!!!
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:15 am to USLttarP
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This picture is funny considering Jeff is a regular poster on here. I sure hope that's not his daughter...
Not his daughter
Posted on 9/23/10 at 9:16 am to Choupique19
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Matt Flynn could
For the umpteeth time, with the exception of a few Crowton wrinkles, the pistol package and an option route package, the offense in 2007 was the previous Jimbo Fisher offense.
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Kellen Clemens and Dennis Dixon could
Brandon Doman could
A group of sucky QB's could
Yeah Dennis Dixon went from being the number 71 rated quarterback in the country in Crowton's last year to number 3 the year after Crowton left.
Anyway read the following excerpt. It couldn't have been more prophetic because everything this guy predicted has come to fruition.
Let me explain why I think this will be a bad hire.
Crowton runs a version of the spread offense. When he gets a new job, his first year has been great. Let the stats explain.
Chicago Bears
1999: Bears record was 6-10. Their offense scored 272 points (17/game), 7th worst in the NFL. 31 TDs, 7th worst in NFL (source). Leading passer: Shane Matthews
2000: Bears record was 5-11. Their offense scored 214 points (13.4/game), 4th worst in the NFL. 22 TDs, 3rd worst in the NFL (source). (The thing that you want to do from an offensive standpoint is you want to score points.) Leading passer: Cade McNown
It’s safe to say that he didn’t have the greatest quarterbacks to run his offense. Get this though. In 2001, the Bears went 13-3 with Jim Miller as the quarterback. They scored 338 points (21.1/game), good enough for 11th in the NFL.
BYU
2001: BYU went 12-2. They scored an amazing 608 points (46.8/game). Luke Staley was the leading rusher in the nation. However they got killed in their last two games. Everybody loved Crowton as head coach. What a great season! But it was a terrible watching them get killed by Hawaii and Louisville. Coincidentally, Luke Staley was injured in the two games BYU lost.
2002: Their record was 5-7. BYU’s first losing season in 30 years. They scored 272 points (22.7/game).
2003: BYU went 4-8. They scored 196 points (16.3/game). They didn’t score a point in the game versus Utah, the first time they went scoreless in a game in my lifetime.
2004: BYU went 5-6. They 267 points (24.3/game).
BYU went from scoring 608 points in 2001 to a low of 196 points in 2003! This was against average teams in the Mountain West Conference. He was the head coach and offensive coordinator at BYU.
Oregon
2005: Oregon went 10-2. They scored 414 points (34.5/game).
2006: Oregon went 7-6, losing their last 4. They scored 383 points (29.5/game).
There you have it. The only year he improved upon his previous year while at the same program was 2004. BYU couldn’t have gotten any worse after a terrible year in 2003.
The truth is Gary Crowton has a good offense. But smart teams are going to figure it out. Guess who was coaching Utah when BYU went scoreless in 2003-Urban Meyer. Most of the coaches in the SEC are almost as smart as Urban and they will shut down LSU’s offense. LSU has great athletes and he will find a way to make them look bad.
The Las Vegas Bowl was a great game this year. For most fans, I am sure it was a boring game. BYU almost shut out Oregon and won the game 38-8. Watching Oregon play brought back bitter memories of when Crowton was at BYU. They looked clueless out there. BYU’s secondary was injured. They didn’t have most of their best players playing because of injuries. Crowton failed to take advantage of his highly athletic receivers. Instead he was worrying about which quarterback to play on which down.
Be ready for an undisciplined offense that fails to make any adjustments-during the game or season.
LSU will probably have a great year with their athletes. They will score a lot of points. But don’t expect them to stay that way. Not with Crowton as the offensive coordinator. The numbers don’t lie.
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Tim Rattay could
Crowton ran a different offense at LA Tech.
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