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re: Was Martin and Mickey leaving actually a very good thing?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:03 am to CyrustheVirus
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:03 am to CyrustheVirus
Who we are missing the most was not getting Damian Jones a few years back hed be perfect for us at the 5
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:09 am to CyrustheVirus
so we get out rebounded by a program that hasnt had a winning record in 11 years of D1, and you dont think having 2 "NBA caliber" big men would help us out?
what in the fricking frick
they wouldnt share the ball? you act like they would be handling the ball to begin with
what in the fricking frick
they wouldnt share the ball? you act like they would be handling the ball to begin with
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:10 am to dirtytigers
Rico Gathers was the bigger miss. If Johnny would have been hired a month earlier he would be a Tiger.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:14 am to CyrustheVirus
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Was Martin and Mickey leaving actually a very good thing?(
Yea, we couldn't use two players currently in the NBA.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:23 am to CyrustheVirus
frick Martin and Mickey.
You can argue all you want about Mickey's health at the end of last year...but personally I think it was a combination being injured and checking out mentally. He was atrocious towards the in. And Martin? Dude was softer than Charmin. In big games, he felt like playing and being assertive. The Mississippi States of the world, he would drop 4 points on 5 shots.
Neither of them were "dive on the floor" type guys, or hustle guys. Ben Simmons is flying down the floor to be an extra man on the fast break. When your best player is also one of your hardest workers it changes everything.
Sure, Martin and Mickey's skill level is above Epps and Elbert. But what could Mickey do well? Block weak side shots and consistently leave his own man? Martin had so much skill, but turn on the UK tape...Martin played like that once or twice a year, which is the frustrating part. And if Mickey didn't get some shots, he would pout and play with even less energy if that's possible
You can argue all you want about Mickey's health at the end of last year...but personally I think it was a combination being injured and checking out mentally. He was atrocious towards the in. And Martin? Dude was softer than Charmin. In big games, he felt like playing and being assertive. The Mississippi States of the world, he would drop 4 points on 5 shots.
Neither of them were "dive on the floor" type guys, or hustle guys. Ben Simmons is flying down the floor to be an extra man on the fast break. When your best player is also one of your hardest workers it changes everything.
Sure, Martin and Mickey's skill level is above Epps and Elbert. But what could Mickey do well? Block weak side shots and consistently leave his own man? Martin had so much skill, but turn on the UK tape...Martin played like that once or twice a year, which is the frustrating part. And if Mickey didn't get some shots, he would pout and play with even less energy if that's possible
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 9:33 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:28 am to CyrustheVirus
Can you imagine Simmons setting up those two, along with having the shooters and slashers we currently have? Currently we have no rim protection and it's going to be tough sledding against a team like Kentucky.
Dumb thread is dumb.
Dumb thread is dumb.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:30 am to Lester Earl
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and you dont think having 2 "NBA caliber" big men would help us out?
In the case of Mickey and Martin, we would probably still find a way to get outrebounded in some games, probably not against teams like Kennesaw St., but probably against teams with better talent.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:34 am to CyrustheVirus
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Very true, but Jones' coaching style is very up tempo and it looks like these players can play that way. Mickey wasnt very good in transition
Mickey with Simmons passing abilities would be alleys all the time in transition.
Not to mention he would compliment our length and perimeter D very nicely
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:37 am to c on z
if Martin and Mickey were on this team LSU would've destroyed people. they wouldn't have had to be the #1 option on any given night. neither one of those guys wanted to be the MAN. the passing would've been ridiculous.
this team can become great in its own right. but this is silly silly talk.
this team can become great in its own right. but this is silly silly talk.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:40 am to c on z
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the case of Mickey and Martin, we would probably still find a way to get outrebounded in some games, probably not against teams like Kennesaw St., but probably against teams with better talent.
They finished #1 and #3 in the sec in rebounds/game last year
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:42 am to Lester Earl
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so we get out rebounded by a program that hasnt had a winning record in 11 years of D1, and you dont think having 2 "NBA caliber" big men would help us out?
what in the fricking frick
they wouldnt share the ball? you act like they would be handling the ball to begin with
Yeah, the OP's suggestion is ridiculous. Martin would have had to move to more of a "5" type of role with Simmons on board. I liked Martin, but Simmons is infinitely more skilled today than Martin ever was at LSU. Still, having two NBA players inside isn't a bad thing.
After only two games (against weak competition) it's not showing up, but Mickey would have been HUGE for this team. LSU's two biggest weaknesses will likely be rebounding and interior defense. Mickey would have solidified those two areas and would have benefited greatly with he and Simmons being able to work a two man game in the post. Can you imagine being a post defender with Simmons coming down the lane and Mickey standing next to you? If you decide to stop the ball, Simmons dishes it to Mickey who was skilled at finishing at the rim. If you stick on Mickey, Simmons dunks. Plus, Mickey's presence as an elite college shot blocker made teams reluctant to attack the rim.
Simply put: If Mickey had returned LSU would have started as a top-10 team and an outside favorite to reach the Final Four. That's not hyperbole
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:43 am to LSU Fan 90812
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neither one of those guys wanted to be the MAN
I will agree with you that Martin didn't want to be the man. However, you weren't watching the same Jordan Mickey that I was.Jordan Mickey thought he was the man. He would constantly try and take guys off the dribble and more times than not it would end with a turnover.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:43 am to CyrustheVirus
I wish Mickey would have stayed more than Martin. Mickey would make this team better with Defense and Rebounding. We would be a potential top 5 team with Mickey still on the team. You would be plugging Mickey for Elbert and Malone. How much better would that be. Mickey could have definitely benefited by coming back.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:44 am to CyrustheVirus
This is dumb. Martin and Mickey were great at running the floor and this is what this team does well.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:45 am to Alt26
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Martin would have had to move to more of a "5" type of role with Simmons on board.
He would play the 4, Simmons would play the 3.
That is assuming you have Mickey at 5.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:55 am to CyrustheVirus
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I was under the impression that if they stayed, we would have been a better team. After watching this team play, I am starting to think them leaving was a great thing. Martin and Mickey would not have shared the ball like these guys do so far. They would want their touches and the offense might have been just as stagnant as it has been in the past.
Martin and Mickey are great players and did a great job for the LSU program, but I think this team is better off without them
The offense may flow better against scrub teams like Kennesaw State where all the players are sub 6'5, but Martin/Mickey would definitely make this team better overall once we play decent teams with size. We're pretty much banking on Victor to be a stud, otherwise we're going to be weak down low
This team is preseason top 10 and a Final Four contender with Martin/Mickey. This is an absurd thread.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:59 am to PortCityTiger24
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He would play the 4, Simmons would play the 3.
That is assuming you have Mickey at 5
True. I was assuming that ONLY Martin returned, not both.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:01 am to Alt26
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:11 am to AlexLSU
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We're pretty much banking on Victor to be a stud, otherwise we're going to be weak down low
I think people are forgetting that simmons is 6-10 and can guard a big guy on the other team? This isn't 5th grade basketball where you always guard the guy who is guarding you.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:16 am to LSU Fan 90812
"Simmons at point-forward 3. Martin at 4. Mickey at 5."
Yep. This team would have the combination of depth, experience, and talent you rarely see nowadays, and especially given Simmon's ability to facilitate, Martin and Mickey would be monsters.
Yep. This team would have the combination of depth, experience, and talent you rarely see nowadays, and especially given Simmon's ability to facilitate, Martin and Mickey would be monsters.
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