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Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:11 pm to Cannon
quote:You people just make shite up. He was a serviceable, yet limited QB plenty capable of winning games in the SEC West.
Jordan Jefferson was terrible. And seemed to get progressively worse.
Now Jennings, Hatch, Harris....yes, terrible, but JJ was a fair QB. Miles did him or Lee any favors with the predictable play calling and his general offensive philosphy and game management style.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:15 pm to bdavids09
quote:It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't choice.
I disagree. If it was a regular season game I get it. Its the NCG and your getting nothing and Jefferson is playing awful and you have not crossed the 50. If you go back and watch the 9-6 game the reason Jefferson had success was the option. Les being Les figured he would try that again in the NCG and Alabama was very prepared to shut that down which they did.
So maybe Jarrett lee does throw a pick six if hes put in but I would be ok with that knowing you tried everything you could do to win.
On the one hand, I get the "gotta try something" attitude.
On the other, like I posted above- we weren't moving yet, but our defense was hanging in there.
We started pushing Bama around late the first game, after banging futilely against them all game long. Go back and watch that- if we had to score a TD in OT, it would have happened.
Conversely, if you watch the first game when Lee is in, that game is headed towards a blowout. Lee tossing the ball blindly to avoid getting crushed. Would have been a pick 6 eventually.
So in the NCG, Les was faced with this decision:
a) keep banging away, hope to eventually wear them down, score late.
b) stick the guy with the LSU (SEC?) record for throwing pick-6's into the game, against a defense that had already shown they'd eat him alive once.
There was never really a point in the game where you'd hit the panic button, until it was too late to matter.
People scream about Miles never changing strategy, but conveniently ignore the fact that he had the only winning strategy against that Bama team. He just couldn't pull it off twice.
We were the only team that could play with them, and the first time around we beat them. Sometimes, you just have to acknowledge- the other guy is damn good too, and might be better.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:16 pm to tigerfoot
I met JJ during his recruiting process.
He was a 4 Star QB and I think somewhere in the top 15-20 for his style of QB.
He came from a great family of proud LSU alum and backers. Please quit shitting on a kid that graduated a decade ago.
He was a 4 Star QB and I think somewhere in the top 15-20 for his style of QB.
He came from a great family of proud LSU alum and backers. Please quit shitting on a kid that graduated a decade ago.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:35 pm to Scoob
well that's fair. We may just disagree and that's fine. That was such an interesting season how you were either a Jefferson guy or a Lee guy and those of us who thought Lee was the right choice have the luxury of looking back but there is no way of knowing what would of happen and it probably would not have made a difference if he played in the NCG.
But I probably will go back and watch as I love to watch old games this time of year as I'm just dying for football. The only game I wont watch is the NCG on 1/9/12
But I probably will go back and watch as I love to watch old games this time of year as I'm just dying for football. The only game I wont watch is the NCG on 1/9/12
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:44 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Ive defended JJ about 1034 times on this board.
Please quit shitting on a kid that graduated a decade ago.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:54 pm to MMauler
quote:
in Jordan Jefferson's case, you don't get a second chance to make a good last impression either.
Ain't that the truth.
It may not be altogether fair, but when I think of Jefferson I can't help but remember this:
That, and how he tried to blame Spencer Ware for it afterwards.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:17 pm to TheMonTSteR
quote:It may have been, but JJ definitely made the wrong read. He couldve rambled a while.
That, and how he tried to blame Spencer Ware for it.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:45 pm to topcat88
quote:
I never got the Jefferson hate. Almost every quarterback under Miles was underdeveloped and utilized poorly.
JaMarcus, Flynn, and Perilloux were all good QB's. That four near stretch from 08-10 were filled with struggles because Perilloux getting booted forced a lot of mistakes by guys not ready to see the field. We then had Mett, who was great. Of course then we had problems with Jennings and Harris, but they seem almost more hampered by the play calling and 2 QB system that emerged.
Anyway, Jefferson had pretty average stats. Where I think most people got a sour taste from him was his attitude when he played poorly. In particular, the 2010 season where he really struggled and Les started putting Lee in for clear passing situations. Lee saved us versus Florida that year.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:50 pm to bdavids09
He also beat West Monroe which at the time was a High School Dynasty (not so anymore), gave him a little umph on his resume.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:10 pm to CoachChappy
It took 30 min. For the proverbial “Let it go Luke - it’s been 10’years” response. I will say JJ would have been a pretty good defensive player or skilled player on offense - besides QB at the college level. All the Jefferson’s were bad arse athletes at LSU. Pretty cool. Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:19 pm to DrD
I'm pretty sure he was a top 10 dual threat coming out of high school.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:48 pm to bdavids09
quote:And for what it's worth, we probably just disagree on what to try/when.
well that's fair. We may just disagree and that's fine.
quote:I liked Lee and what he brought to that offense, although I think he's a bit 'overrated' as a passer, in people's memories. He wasn't that accurate- I remember watching the Oregon game, and he hit someone (TE maybe) going downfield. The receiver had a step, but had to slow down, and he still kinda turned and caught it on his hip. Had it have been in stride and leading him, would have been a huge play.
That was such an interesting season how you were either a Jefferson guy or a Lee guy and those of us who thought Lee was the right choice have the luxury of looking back but there is no way of knowing what would of happen and it probably would not have made a difference if he played in the NCG.
It's insane how far LSU and Alabama were separated from everyone else. Oregon was a top 5 team, we bitch-slapped them. No doubt we'd have done the same to Okie State. There was only one team capable of playing with us, and we had to play them twice.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:52 pm to topcat88
quote:
Almost every quarterback under Miles was underdeveloped and utilized poorly.
Nah, they were poorly evaluated. You can't turn chicken shite into chicken salad. You saw that with Shae Patterson and Feleipe Franks. You saw that on misses like Dak Preskott who camped a couple of years.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:42 pm to Cannon
quote:
And seemed to get progressively worse.
Thats the point so many want to gloss over. Lee was TERRIBLE being forced into starting his FR year, but by that '11 year, he was at the top of the SEC and undefeated
Jefferson looked good against the teams at the end of '08 when Lee got injured, but couldnt cross the 50 in his last two games in '11
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:44 pm to bdavids09
I remember being at a sports banquet in New Orleans around this time. I was having a conversation with a couple of members of the media along with a prominent HS head coach. The media members were talking about how surprised they were that Tulane did not want that Destrehan QB because he had a hitch in his throwing motion. The coach laughed and said " I saw him "hitch" the ball 70 yards in the air last Friday night".
He may not have been a 5* recruit but a lot of the experts who closely follow HS football around here were very high on him.
He may not have been a 5* recruit but a lot of the experts who closely follow HS football around here were very high on him.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:54 pm to Frogman93
Agree, We seemed to be the place to go where quarterbacks when to die.
Position was never developed under Miles because of his ground and pound style offense.
Not the case anymore, thank god.
Position was never developed under Miles because of his ground and pound style offense.
Not the case anymore, thank god.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 7:07 pm to Gnash
quote:
I remember we had been recruiting Terrelle Pryor but the staff backed off because they thought Jefferson was just as good
He very well could’ve been if he would’ve played for Joe Brady. It sounds ridiculous as awful as he was under Miles, but Miles and his OC’s were truly some of the shittiest offensive coaches in the history of college football. It’s very hard to say just how good guys like Jefferson, Mett, Lee, and even Harris could’ve been under an elite OC.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 7:53 pm to TigerinKorea
I saw him play in the playoffs his senior year against St Paul’s in Covington. JJ was a man amounts boys. He was outstanding.
It seams he never developed beyond his physical capabilities. In the SEC, there are a lot of big, strong, fast players. JJ never learned the mental aspects of playing QB in the SEC.
It seams he never developed beyond his physical capabilities. In the SEC, there are a lot of big, strong, fast players. JJ never learned the mental aspects of playing QB in the SEC.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:03 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Let's just make stuff up to knight for the QB who threw 1TD vs 7INTs vs Bama.
couldnt cross the 50 in his last two games in '11
1-9-`12 Jefferson actually completed 64% of pass plays called, and had LSU near Bama 30yd line prior to OL called for penalty.
Both QBs put up with a lot of adversity at LSU and were both great Tigers.
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