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re: Wade puts job, millions on line if he continues to decline to meet with LSU officials
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:10 am to Madking
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:10 am to Madking
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If they know more then why are they lying about this too? And why haven’t they acted if there’s more and obvious wrong doing? The admin has fed the public lie after lie since last Friday. How can anyone trust anything they say at this point?
They haven't really fed us much of anything but bland statements to this point. I'm not saying they know the entirety of the situation (obviously they don't without Wade), but they still could know more than has been released publicly. Regardless, I still cannot agree that LSU overreacted by wanting to speak to Wade about the release and then suspending him when he refused. What I do fault LSU for was trading shots in the media with Wade's attorneys when all of that should have been kept out of the media.
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Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:29 am to GeorgeReymond
quote:Nonsense. They want to fire Wade, but they want to avoid paying him even more.
LSU doesn’t want to fire Wade. If they did, they would have already done so
Posted on 3/15/19 at 1:12 am to TOKEN
quote:Unless the NCAA is Wade's employer, the implications here are an outright lie. I don't know whether the lie was concocted by Ballard or Skinner, or whether they are lying at someone else's behest,.
“It is not unlawful or illegal for Wade to talk to us at all. He has the right not to incriminate himself in a criminal proceeding (the so-called Fifth Amendment privilege), but he does not have the right not to meet with his employer.”
By all accounts though, Wade was willing to meet with Alleva and Fking. It sounds like he was willing to meet with anyone else as long as elements of his upcoming testimony were not infringed.
What a horrible environment.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 1:15 am to NC_Tigah
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By all accounts though, Wade was willing to meet with Alleva and Fking.
What accounts? I have not seen a single quote from Wade or his attorneys that say this. I have only seen that speculation and assumption made. If we don’t believe some of the media speculation, we shouldn’t believe any of it, not just the parts you don’t like. So if all we know is what’s been actually said by the parties themselves, then Wade never said he’d have met with LSU without the NCAA present.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 1:16 am
Posted on 3/15/19 at 1:26 am to lsufball19
quote:Ballard's own account, for one
What accounts?
quote:Which of course renders Ballard's insinuation that Wade refuses to meet, an outright lie.
LSU spokesperson Ernie Ballard told Sports Illustrated's Ross Dellenger that Wade's attorney was welcome to meet with administration and the coach. However, Wade and his attorney canceled when LSU refused to grant their wishes of having a meeting without an NCAA representative present and limiting the scope of the questions asked.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 5:32 am to TOKEN
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Perhaps it’s not legal now but they are aiming to not pay contract so yeah they want to fire him
According to this contract, otherwise why are they threatening him? Forget about coaching here again, that ships sailed. This is about the contract now.
Actually I don't think LSU has to do anything but wait it out. If he committed infractions he can already be terminated for cause with no payout. If he is cleared, LSU does not have to fire him. Obviously the relationship will have soured but LSU can live with that if they choose while Wade is free to leave on his own via resignation.
Perhaps a legitimate reason for Wade not to answer questions is that he is part of a government "sting" in which he willingly cooperated to assist the FBI to expose the corruption. I found that doubtful but who knows. It sounds a little too much like a made for TV movie to be true.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:12 am to JohnnyU
If I were Wade, I would've shown up to the meeting and made the following statement, "I have not at any point been in violation of any applicable NCAA rules." If they pressed me for details, I would simply repeat that I was not in violation of rules, and that I cannot provide any details while the investigation is under way, buy am willing to discuss the situation at length after the trial. Most importantly, he should simply deny he's ever been in violation of NCAA rules. That he won't even make that simple statement isn't a good look on his part.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:23 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Frankly, that is for the NCAA to determine. Not a coach. Not a University. If you tell them you'll make that determination for them, it probably won't go over well.
I have not at any point been in violation of any applicable NCAA rules
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:35 am to NC_Tigah
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Frankly, that is for the NCAA to determine. Not a coach. Not a University. If you tell them you'll make that determination for them, it probably won't go over well.
Wrong.
His contract requires him to abide by NCAA rules, all he has to say that he has not been in violation of his contract. It doesn't matter that a future investigation may reveal that he was, in fact, in violation of NCAA rules, his lying about it would be irrelevant.
If he wanted to coach in the tournament, all he had to do was show up to the meeting and tell LSU and the NCAA that he's complying by all the rules and regulations. LSU could then turn to the NCAA and say, "See? There's no there, there. Let's play ball." LSU would've demonstrated to the NCAA that they maintain institutional control. That Wade isn't even willing to proclaim his innocence, without even providing any details, gives LSU no choice in the matter.
As it stands, LSU can't even claim plausible deniability now. Their hand is forced.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:38 am to Arabi Tiger
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Would be a good lawsuit. LSU AD refuses to honor their contract with Wade for not answering questions, while LSU AD refuses to answer questions re its role in the OLOL children's hospital charity scandal.
Is the AD refusing to meet with his boss?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:51 am to TOKEN
How long do you think it will take for another schools to scoop up Wade if he leaves LSU?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:52 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Bingo. There is a difference.
all he has to say that he has not been in violation of his contract.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:55 am to Madking
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They haven’t fired him because of the 10 day period from the original request before they can. They have to wait until Sunday at least before they can fire him. If they do that and fire him on selection Sunday it’ll be anarchy, so likely he gets canned on Monday.
So LSU still wants to grab negative headlines on Selection Sunday or leading into the tournament? They should wait until the tournament is over for them before making any decision about this. Otherwise, they're showing themselves a glutton for tarring and feathering themselves uncontrollably. You play the news cycles, you don't play into the news cycles.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:57 am to GumboPot
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Why does the admin need the meeting now? Why not after the SDNY/Dawkins trial?
Why not have the meeting when this was all brought up in October before wade was subpoenaed?
I agree. The timing of it reeks of playing politics and caving to media pressure a la the Miles firing/not firing followed up by the rush to announce Orgeron as the HC before Herman announces he’s going to Texas
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:59 am to nirvana
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refusing to meet with his boss
I hate this talking point.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Both sides have been acting in what appears to be against their own self-interests. It's strange.
Neither Wade nor his atty is out there defending him. There may or may not be more leaks implicating him in the future but those leaks would hurt him whether or not he denies everything today. So he might as well deny...now. If problems arise and IF he gets subpoenaed (that's a big if) he could plead the 5th.
With LSU, they allowed the NCAA to bully their way into any possible meeting with Wade. Why would team LSU allow themselves to hear Wade's responses for the first time in front of the NCAA? Why not get his answers first, and get their story right? That's nuts.
Neither Wade nor his atty is out there defending him. There may or may not be more leaks implicating him in the future but those leaks would hurt him whether or not he denies everything today. So he might as well deny...now. If problems arise and IF he gets subpoenaed (that's a big if) he could plead the 5th.
With LSU, they allowed the NCAA to bully their way into any possible meeting with Wade. Why would team LSU allow themselves to hear Wade's responses for the first time in front of the NCAA? Why not get his answers first, and get their story right? That's nuts.
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