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Posted on 2/1/21 at 7:41 am to richbad
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Speak for yourself, this guy needs to go. Just a good recruiter is not gonna cut it. The guy just flat out can’t coach.
Who in your opinion, can coach?
He has a pretty good record vs other SEC Coaches, except maybe Florida.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:28 am to The Pirate King
So who do y'all think would be willing to come here? It's not like this program is one that everyone wants to jump in to. It's definitely the #2b program on campus, likely the #3. Wade is a good coach. If Days is not hurt, I'm fairly certain the game goes our way.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:49 am to IIxxBREADxxII
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He needs a bench coach
So, why doesn't he get one?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:24 am to alumni95
quote:Dale had a lot of success here, but I'd argue he also underachieved with certain teams.
Paging Mr Brown. You have been called to revoke your 2 Final Four appearances
For example, in 1989-90, Dale had Chris Jackson, Shaq, Stanley Roberts, and a bunch on very good role players (Vernel Singleton, Maurice Williamson, etc.).
With that loaded roster, Dale couldn't win the conference, lost in the first round of the SEC tourney, and lost in the second round of the NCAA tourney.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:41 am to KC Tiger
I said when he ran off Greg Hiare he fuked up. Greg was a solid X&O guy and ran all of the practices. He needs to make another hire and not just a yes man like Dingleberry.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:44 am to KC Tiger
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The argument on this board is not whether Wade is better than Trent and Johnny (he is), it is whether he is perfect and unassailable (he is not).
Yet everyone on here defends him saying he is better than what was previously here and I'm tired of seeing this argument. One has nothing to do with the other.
Your post is spot on!
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:57 am to KC Tiger
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The Wade worshipers proclaimed him a 'Gangster' and above reproach; it forced the rest of us to choose between Will Wade and common sense.
no, it didn't force anyone to do that. If you did, shame on you
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:04 am to redfish99
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I said when he ran off Greg Hiare he fuked up. Greg was a solid X&O guy and ran all of the practices. He needs to make another hire and not just a yes man like Dingleberry.
But did he "run off" Heiar? That was an odd move for Heiar. From LSU's #2 guy to assistant at ETSU. A program that had just lost their highly successful HC to Wake Forest.
We may never know the reason, but there is NO WAY Heiar left or was asked to leave because of his lack of coaching ability. He either left on his own accord to get out ahead of (potentially) something (i.e. investigation LSU) OR Wade asked him to leave to get out (potentially) ahead of something (investigation of LSU).
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:41 am to pellietigersaint
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no, it didn't force anyone to do that. If you did, shame on you
I’ll rephrase it then:
We, the rational majority, couldn’t embrace the characterization of Wade as portrayed by his irrational worshipers while at the same time embracing common sense. The two are incompatible. They are mutually exclusive. You can only endorse one of them. It was this irrational god-like characterization of Wade that created much of the divide in the fan base. People that would have otherwise supported Wade, at least partially, were forced to choose between Will Wade the deity and what our eyes were actually seeing.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:51 am to The Pirate King
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Speak for yourself...independent from his coaching, the stuff with the NCAA should have gotten him fired for cause. Now football has been drug into it.
Gonna blame the basketball program for the football program’s ncaa violations? Thats rich
Posted on 2/1/21 at 11:03 am to KC Tiger
He had Tex Winters as his assistant if memory serves me right. He was amazing.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 11:10 am to KC Tiger
No coach is above criticism, it's just when people say obviously dumb things about the basketball team like, Javonte smart should be coming off the bench.
He has a poor defensive approach no way around it and I think sometimes he doesn't make good subs. And with Days out I doubt this team makes the tournament so that is a failure.
But damn it's like most people don't watch college basketball other than lsu.
Tony Bennett took 4 years to win an NCAA game
Bruce pearl took 4 years to win an NCAA game
Fran McCaffery has won like 3 tournament games in 9 years
Hell Shaka has yet to win a tournament game at Tejas.
If you are saying Wade is perfect you aren't paying attention, but if you are saying he should be fired for the results of his tenure you should probably quit talking about basketball.
He has a poor defensive approach no way around it and I think sometimes he doesn't make good subs. And with Days out I doubt this team makes the tournament so that is a failure.
But damn it's like most people don't watch college basketball other than lsu.
Tony Bennett took 4 years to win an NCAA game
Bruce pearl took 4 years to win an NCAA game
Fran McCaffery has won like 3 tournament games in 9 years
Hell Shaka has yet to win a tournament game at Tejas.
If you are saying Wade is perfect you aren't paying attention, but if you are saying he should be fired for the results of his tenure you should probably quit talking about basketball.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:39 pm to KC Tiger
I'll say this. When you have Calipari and coach K limping through the season even though they continue to have the best recruiting classes every year, it shows the volatility in college basketball now. Now, coaching and discipline lost that game Saturday. Plain and simple and this needs to be fixed and someone needs to be held accountable, which isn't happening at all!
Parody is a good thing, but the one and done rule is killing college basketball.
Parody is a good thing, but the one and done rule is killing college basketball.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:15 pm to Pnels08
quote:I didn't research these coaches's recruiting, but Wade has had recruiting classes ranked 17, 4, 32, and 4. He brings in solid/elite players.
Tony Bennett took 4 years to win an NCAA game
Bruce pearl took 4 years to win an NCAA game
Fran McCaffery has won like 3 tournament games in 9 years
Hell Shaka has yet to win a tournament game at Tejas.
When you recruit like that, you don't need years, as Wade has shown with immediate success, with an SEC championship in his second year. Basketball isn't like football where it truly can takes several years to overhaul a bad roster. Wade did it almost immediately.
So now we're much better than before. And that's great, it really is.
But are we playing at the level we should be, given the talent we have? That's a fair question, and it's basically the one that we've been asking.
No one wants to fire Wade, but it's crystal clear he's not getting the most out of his roster, primarily on defense. If that continues, then LSU will have to consider it's options: do we want to be good/very good most years, or do we want to take the next step up?
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:55 am to deepdeltatiger
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He had Tex Winters as his assistant if memory serves me right. He was amazing.
Yes he was. Tex was the assistant who “taught fundamentals” to many of Dale’s teams. I believe Tex ended up with the Chicago Bulls.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:02 am to SammyTiger
quote:rightfully so
We missed the tournament with the #1 pick and our fan base shits in him constantly,
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:51 am to KC Tiger
quote:Tex was at LSU for one year.
Tex was the assistant who “taught fundamentals” to many of Dale’s teams
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:30 am to KC Tiger
In a sense, there’s some similarities to Dale Brown; really good recruiter, not a very good coach. I think Dale was even a better coach, because his teams could execute some exotic defenses (triangle + 2) for example, and run all the way to final fours.
Wade’s teams (with all the talent) just aren’t well coached on the simple fundamentals of basketball. And it’s a killer. If he’s not versed on how to coach the hell out of fundamentals, he needs to hire someone who is, and get them involved with drilling that into the team. If he could make that work and continue to do what he does well (recruit), and if he can do it ethically and legally, than maybe he lives up to expectations. Otherwise, I’m not sure he’s a good enough coach (fundamentally & execution wise) to continue at this level.
Wade’s teams (with all the talent) just aren’t well coached on the simple fundamentals of basketball. And it’s a killer. If he’s not versed on how to coach the hell out of fundamentals, he needs to hire someone who is, and get them involved with drilling that into the team. If he could make that work and continue to do what he does well (recruit), and if he can do it ethically and legally, than maybe he lives up to expectations. Otherwise, I’m not sure he’s a good enough coach (fundamentally & execution wise) to continue at this level.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:33 am to KC Tiger
He is a good coach but he is not elite. However, I do believe he has the potential to be elite. But I agree. He is flawed. The elite fix those flaws.
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