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re: VolTiger -Kristian Fulton

Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:01 pm to
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:01 pm to
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Since when does the NCAA move that fast? That would be amazing that fast.


This has been in the works (the conversations), it only appears it has been all the sudden.

This post was edited on 7/27/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 1:25 am to
Exactly. His urine was tested and passed for PEH. Technically he wasn’t even tested for Mary Jane if I remember correctly I am guessing and Vol probably knows more so correct me if I’m wrong but there’s supposedly a gray area which makes a case for Fulton. I am thinking if his urine was properly taken and sent off probably with nurse watching and he passed the PED’s then he should have never been suspended for 2 years. So if the sample that passed was was done properly then technically it wasn’t tampered with. Just a guess though obviously
This post was edited on 7/28/18 at 1:43 am
Posted by ParrishGore
Walker, La.
Member since Aug 2013
939 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 1:41 am to
Two year suspension for attempting to cheat on a drug test is literally insane. The NCAA has been given too much power over the careers and lives of athletes and coaches. Dale Brown fought these fascist bastards his entire career. And until enough universities secede or at least form a separate group to overrule NCAA actions, overkill of this nature will continue to occur. Suspending Fulton's career for 2 years should not happen. And there is no power to step in and hold the NCAA accountable for their unjust decisions.
Posted by VT4
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2004
904 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 4:47 am to
The NCAA is vulnerable to litigation.
Look at the Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel situations for example. As soon as the lawyers came at the NCAA they folded.
Then there’s antitrust and the inequities of making money off of athletes that don’t share in the profits but generate multi millions while risking serious injury.
Not to mention the growing awareness of brain damage and concussions from playing.
They’re exposed imo to liability. A real paper tiger.
Fulton should be eligible and I have a feeling he will.
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 7:50 am to
I can say with certainty, staff is very optimistic.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 8:13 am to
Getting Fulton back game 1 would be huge!

If Aranda knows he is eligible to start fall camp it will likely influence what he teaches/implements in fall camp too.
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9792 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 8:58 am to
quote:

Two year suspension for attempting to cheat on a drug test is literally insane.

No, it's not "literally" insane. Every sports authority on the goddamn planet must be insane because the universal punishment for cheating and then lying about it during the investigation is always worse than cheating and not lying about it.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
18377 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 9:48 am to
But I don't think he cheated. From what I have read he chickened out and then admitted to what he intended to do but he did not do.
Posted by VolTiger13
New Orleans, La
Member since Jul 2017
3884 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 10:00 am to
The tester saw him attempting to pour someone else's urine into his specimen cup. My understanding is the rule we are arguing is that the moment the tester saw that happen, it should have been deemed a failed test and he not allowed to submit a sample. Therefore a failed test = 1 year. Since he never actually handed over an altered sample, the first rule should apply, and not the altered sample 2 year ban. Should be a 1 year failed test penalty, if which he has already served.
Posted by foamperson
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
207 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 10:10 am to
That’s great to hear. Kid has paid the appropriate price.
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
11943 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 10:15 am to
He absolutely has served his time. Taking two years away from a kid is ridiculous. Far greater crimes within the NCAA jurisdiction serve less than two years.
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
Prairieville/Dutchtown
Member since Dec 2003
16759 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 10:38 am to
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it's not "literally" insane.


I’m glad I’m not the only one who despises this word. I want to vomit every time I see or hear it....which is all day every day.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
12895 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 10:40 am to
quote:

I’m glad I’m not the only one who despises this word. I want to vomit every time I see or hear it....which is all day every day.


So do you literally want to vomit when you see it?
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 11:21 am to
quote:

Two year suspension for attempting to cheat on a drug test is literally insane.

No, it's not "literally" insane. Every sports authority on the goddamn planet must be insane because the universal punishment for cheating and then lying about it during the investigation is always worse than cheating and not lying about it.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that


Try to understand this...he didnt cheat, he didnt try to chest! There is no "cheating " a urine test without it having a sample turned in. You haven't turned in a sample and attempted to cheat without sealing it and signing the seal and handing to collector.
Theres so many loose strings with this situation that a lawyer could argue quite a few.
No doubt he gets reinstated. The NCAA might do some wierd shite and maybe say he has to sit 1 or 2 games, but KF is playing this year period
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61904 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 11:21 am to
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My understanding is the rule we are arguing is that the moment the tester saw that happen, it should have been deemed a failed test and he not allowed to submit a sample. Therefore a failed test = 1 year. Since he never actually handed over an altered sample, the first rule should apply, and not the altered sample 2 year ban. Should be a 1 year failed test penalty, if which he has already served


Logically, that's a weak argument.

A better argument logically is that there is a tampered test (1 year) and either an associated failed test or failure to produce a non tampered sample (1 year). The latter actually didn't happen.

It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that we get Fulton. If it's a bogus argument and we still get him back, I'm ecstatic.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35463 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 11:33 am to
Literally, I hate the word literally.
Literally speaking, of course, it's not misused half as much as cuck.
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 12:19 pm to
He saw action in 3 games in 2016 iirc
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 1:29 pm to
Boom. I think he will win this.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 1:30 pm to
Kinda what I was getting at. Probably didn’t articulate it as well as u did
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 7/28/18 at 1:35 pm to
All good...just a very intriguing case.
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