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re: Video Inside Shady's Before Fight on Ch. 8 (w/Links)UPDATED
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:05 pm to L S Usetheforce
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:05 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Freedom isn't free brah..........
there's no justice. there's just us.
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Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:05 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
quote:And his hair and one of his legs seems to glow it's so white. (Not racist)
Looks like dude had on a plain white shirt with black shorts.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:05 pm to GR CHAMP
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It's shows that the LSU football player in black ( Kicking someone on the ground ) will take the field in dallas and look bad on LSU ! Right ? JJ gets kicked off team for kicking someone and the guy in black gets to play !!!!!
This was brought up earlier but I'll bring it up again here just to play Devil's Advocate. Per the initial police report, the officer was told that, "it was possible that LSU football players may have been involved in the altercation." The only people to positively suggest that the people involved in the fight were LSU football players were Andrew Lowrey and Victoria Long, and both of them told nearly identical stories, except for Long adding the bit about one of the other three non-football player fighters threatening the crowd with the possibility of having a gun in his truck. Not even the other three "victims" identified ANY of the assailants as LSU football players when they were interviewed at 4:45am at Earl Long Hospital, just as an, "unknown number of black males."
Two things. First...given how easily Lowrey and Long seemed to be able to not only confirm that the people in the fight were definitely LSU players but that two of them were specifically Jordan Jefferson and Josh Johns, does it seem a bit odd that the other three didn't even bother to mention they might have been LSU Football players? Not a word about that fairly significant bit of info.
Secondly...is it impossible that the only people in the football players' group that night were fellow football players? That is to say...is it not POSSIBLE that someone other than a football player could have also gotten involved in the fight and be the culprit that everyone sees on the video kicking the guy in the ribs?
I'm actually not suggesting the second is likely, but unless you think that the team only associates with fellow football players, it's silly to just assume it had to be a player in that melee. That being said, it does offer an opportunity for how JJ could be innocent of the kicking stuff AND no other player has come forward to take the blame...if it wasn't a player at all.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:06 pm to dreaux
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now i am confussed again. If JJ didn't do it, and he knows who did (plus many other players), do any of you really think jj would go along with this? Really? The dude has a ego bigger then tiger stadium.
So you are saying the JJ's went kung-fu and took on 4 people by themselves? There were more than 2 players involved in the fight. Witnesses can not identify them and the players won't either.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:06 pm to Cold Cous Cous
quote:Eh, if there aren't any conflicts, makes it easier to keep stories straight and present a united front.
I've gotta say I'm a little surprised the beatees don't each have separate attorneys.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:06 pm to crimsonsaint
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Lowery never said he ran out of the bar to rescue anyone. He said he helped a guy that had been jumped by 10-15 people get into his truck.
Keep trying though. You've only have to say it 999,998 more times.
"Runs out" wasn't a good choice of words. AL is still full of shite (and obviously a friend of yours). The chick that was part of your friend's group says she can positively id JJ as the kicker. Two bar employees say she's full of shite.
Again, the case you try to make is no better than the other side. Lots of conflicting stories from kids who spent the night drinking in a dark bar. Awesome.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:06 pm to Icansee4miles
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A 26 page thread talking about a suspended player that was deemed by many to be the weakest link on a potential NC team,
Will you please leave this out of the discussion.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:07 pm to L S Usetheforce
This might have been asked and answered, but why is everyone fixated on Lowery? Four people reportedly went to the hospital, none of them football players, with a range of injuries. Lowery just happens to be the highest profile, either because he made himself known or because of his own history.
I'm not arguing that any of this is dispositive, but Lowery is not the only "victim" in this incident.
I'm not arguing that any of this is dispositive, but Lowery is not the only "victim" in this incident.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:07 pm to Godfather1
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But there are apparently some on this site who do. My hypothetical was for their benefit.
Apparently JJ can't kick someone on the ground and the dude in black can ! The dude in black has DNA too !!!!
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:07 pm to USMCTiger03
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The most annoying thing to me is people insisting on stating non-fact as fact over and over again. At this point, the true "facts" are very few.
its so annoying because the bottom line is this was blown wwaaayyyy out of proportion and has forced people into choosing sides from a bunch of nothing.
Personally, i don't care anymore and TBH, whoever did that to those kids cant' be allowed to get away with it. But the whole show was a bit much. I actually liked with the detective said nothing else will be said on the matter (once he was arrested, how convenient). They should have don't that from the beginning.
this is offically turning into shaddygate.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:08 pm to Baloo
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Just because I think Lowery has credibility issues doesn't mean everything he has said is untrue. And even if we assume Lowery is a complete liar, it still doesn't mean Jefferson is innocent of kicking him in the head.
All true. There's this weird rush to treat every new piece of evidence or statement as the evidence that either proves or disproves Jefferson's guilt.
And this whole thing has pissed me off because instead of all getting excited for Saturday we're bickering and watching frame by frame replays of some unlit flip phone video like the JV squad of CSI: Port allen.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:08 pm to Icansee4miles
I guess you are just talking in general because I just entered this thread, saw they were asking for a still of the dude in the white shirt kicking on like page 3 or 4. I agree though that I would love to be reading about breakdowns instead of barfights but this is the situation we find ourselves in at the moment.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:09 pm to denvertiger
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Two bar employees say she's full of shite.
Not true at all.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:09 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
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So first guy in black was JJ and now this dude is supposed to be JJ? Looks like dude had on a plain white shirt with black shorts.
Leaning toward not, but...Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:10 pm to denvertiger
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Two bar employees say she's full of shite.
Again, no they didn't, but nice try there buddy. Both said they could not say if JJ was or wasn't involved, and only that at some point during the fight he wasn't. Nice try assuming that they cleared him though.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:10 pm to Ice Cold
Lowery is the focus because he is the only identified witness by name (the other person in the police report is an unnamed girl). also, the girl states that JJ kicked Lowery in the head. So Jefferson is charged with 2nd degree battery OF LOWERY. So he's the most relevant person, unless the argument is now that Jefferson beat up all four people (still possible, but we have no evidence of it yet). The public evidence links Jefferson to the beating of Lowery.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:10 pm to Ice Cold
quote:well my guess is there is a reason you are not hearing from the other ones. I don't like to speculate when i don't know wtf went on. I would be willing to bet 1 of those accused knows someone in the brpd or da's office.
I'm not arguing that any of this is dispositive, but Lowery is not the only "victim" in this incident.
all these serious injuries spent less then 2 hours in the hospital. But agian i don't know shite.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:10 pm to Baloo
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I've been consistently reserving judgment
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We don't know what happened
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I think Lowery has credibility issues
He might have PR issues, but until the supplemental police report comes out, that gives his statements made to the police a few days later, nobody can say he has credibility issues yet.
If he told police that he was never in the bar, yes he is screwed. But his lawyer making that statement doesn't do anything but hurt his public perception. The police report will be used in court not his lawyers statements which can't be used to impeach him.
Do I think he is coming off as a douche? Hell yes.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:10 pm to c on z
GeauxTigerTM, that is what I have been saying since the police report came out, that and the fact the police officer did not happen to get the names of the first witnesses.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm actually not suggesting the second is likely, but unless you think that the team only associates with fellow football players, it's silly to just assume it had to be a player in that melee. That being said, it does offer an opportunity for how JJ could be innocent of the kicking stuff AND no other player has come forward to take the blame...if it wasn't a player at all.
It's an interesting theory, but there's one big hole in it: if the kicker WASN'T a football player, I'd think the probability is a lot higher that SOMEONE on the football team would step forward to rat the culprit out...especially if it were to save JJ's neck.
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