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re: Video Inside Shady's Before Fight on Ch. 8 (w/Links)UPDATED
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:23 pm to CamdenTiger
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:23 pm to CamdenTiger
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I can't tell anything, either. I can't pick out a single person.
Apparenty the more biased you are, the better able you are at identifying people in a shitty video.
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Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:25 pm to igoringa
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It seems the altercation with the girl has little or nothing to do with this. No one showed any reaction to him or what he was doing. The early rumors this started inside seem to be erroneous (by 'this' I mean the actual altercation.. the infamous slap or punch (Wing?)).
While the rumors about a punch being thrown inside of the bar seem to be (given this video) unfounded, the video is NOT without bearing on what happened outside after AL was thrown out.
The fight supposedly happens soon after this video clip. So, just before the fight what we see is:
1) AL repeatedly harassing a female and acting in an aggressive manner
and
2) JJ looking calm and relaxed, and hugging a girl
Yes, supposedly, a few minutes later, their roles were reversed. Despite his aggressive actions minutes earlier, AL did nothing aggressive outside of the bar and was attacked in the act of helping a 'stranger' while doing *nothing* whatsoever to provoke anything...while the calm, relaxed JJ suddenly went shite-crazy a few minutes later and for some reason, began kicking someone for unknown reasons.
I'm having a hard time understanding how things changed so dramatically in a handfull of minutes.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:25 pm to Antonio Moss
Very funny signature dude.
Yeah what they said, the people who were there are the only ones that really know what happened. Strange that credible members of this "elite" group have not come forward to give their accounts.
Yeah what they said, the people who were there are the only ones that really know what happened. Strange that credible members of this "elite" group have not come forward to give their accounts.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:25 pm to ZTiger87
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The video doesn't matter. It doesn't really change anything.
it really doesn't.
just shows that there was a fight with multiple people kicking people on the ground
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:26 pm to c on z
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I thought I saw a spot where the shirt was white. I guess that doesn't matter though.
On exhibit C which is the best video... when it talks at the beginning about the marine going down, it looks like the dude on the left is the one that goes down. He is wearing a short sleeve white shirt (5 second mark). The video jumps a touch but I think it is him that ends up going down.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:28 pm to rosiebean
quote:Yet, when confronted and asked to leave, he complied without any appearance of resistance. Not very psychotic behavior.
1) AL repeatedly harassing a female and acting in an aggressive manner
quote:I think most of us can go from chill to kill pretty quick.
2) JJ looking calm and relaxed, and hugging a girl
However, I think your points are still valid, just pointing out that there are rebuttals to them.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:28 pm to Geaux2002
quote:I know as much as you, which ain't shite.
Just to ask. Do you know if the establishment was forthcoming?
I thought possibly the manager gagged the employees due to civil worries, but when they told the story to the first hack who asked, that didn't compute.
I believe Shady's stated they weren't ever questioned by police up to that time also.
So it doesn't really add up.
quote:
And according to JJ's dad, so has JJ
Remember? What fight, I wasn't around for any fight
Not another altar boy that's never lied to his dad, broke a curfew, spanked it to a Playboy.
Lying to Dad =/= lying to cops.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:28 pm to TheDoc
Could Lowery have gotten the bruise on his forehead from the truck door, the guy he was helping up was pulled back down by whomever he was fighting (which could have caused the fractures), Lowery bent back down to pull him up as he was being pulled back down very close to the truck door.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:29 pm to igoringa
one thing that is lost in all of this:
didn't shady's say they didn't have a surveillance camera setup?
didn't shady's say they didn't have a surveillance camera setup?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:29 pm to TheDoc
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The video doesn't matter. It doesn't really change anything.
it really doesn't.
at people who days ago were saying the video mens nothing...NOW saying it exonerates JJ. Keep trying team sweep.The Police Dept. has seen this video already. This isn't new to them and they STILL got judge to sign a search warrant ND an arrest warrant.
I'm not sure what the inside video proves other than the rant's bullshite speculation of Lowery hitting people was just fricking lies.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:30 pm to TheDoc
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didn't shady's say they didn't have a surveillance camera setup?
No, they didn't say that. They said that they didn't have any video of the parking lot altercation.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:30 pm to TheDoc
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didn't shady's say they didn't have a surveillance camera setup?
Link?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:31 pm to TheDoc
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didn't shady's say they didn't have a surveillance camera setup?
No, people were suggesting they didn't. The employees that were interviewed said they had this footage.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:31 pm to Templars
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Strange that credible members of this "elite" group have not come forward to give their accounts.
You mean the 10-15 players there?
It is easy to attack the stories of those who have actually given theirs.... clearly there are football players involved in this. If not Jefferson and Johns... who is not fessing up?
If Jefferson and Johns are completely innocent, you are comfortable 10-15 guys are going to just accept that and not be really pro-active in trying to free the innocent? Just seems odd to me.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:32 pm to USMCTiger03
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A video of a guy arguing with an ex girlfriend? That will be a tough voir dire then.
So you obviously know what you're talking about....if you're JJ's atty, do you us the tape or not?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:32 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:
No, they didn't say that. They said that they didn't have any video of the parking lot altercation.
ah ok
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:32 pm to TheDoc
quote:
one thing that is lost in all of this: didn't shady's say they didn't have a surveillance camera setup?
Outside, good god dude!
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:33 pm to igoringa
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who is not fessing up?
million dollar question
I think JJ is going down in flames to protect other players
just my opinion
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:34 pm to CamdenTiger
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Outside, good god dude!
sorry!
must have missed that part
welp, that's just convenient isn't it?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:35 pm to USMCTiger03
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No, he didn't
Yes, he did.
LINK
"He said his clients weren't drinking at Shady's Bar the night of the brawl. He said they went to pick up a friend, and that's when the fight broke out."
That's a statement from his attorney, Bienvenu, on behalf of his client. So, yes -- Lowery denied being in the bar. He "went to pick up a friend". That is a lie.
quote:
Zero (0) of which is relevant to the fight.
Actually, it's quite relevant, for the reason I already stated: the video catches Lowery in a lie. That is relevant to a jury to determine whether he is a believable witness. Also, as JJ and others are stating that Lowery started the fight, this video showing him acting belligerently backs up that version of events. also relevant. Obviously its not conclusive, but certainly relevant.
quote:
No, he has not.
Yes, he has. A person has responsibility for a statement made by a person's attorney on their behalf.
As I said before, this doesn't mean "JJ is innocent", but this video is not good for Lowery and it has probative value.
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