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re: USC - 2003 National Championship
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:20 pm to la_birdman
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:20 pm to la_birdman
Nuff Said
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:30 pm to Jake88
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2003 AP final poll was a temper tantrum against the BCS, a protest vote.
The AP poll had USC ranked ahead of LSU the whole season and ranked them #1 at the end of the regular season before anyone had any idea USC would be excluded from the BCS title game. How exactly is that a protest vote?
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:31 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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If I understand you correctly, the AP is obligated to declare the BCS National Championship game winner as National Champions.
The Coaches’ Poll was, not the AP.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:33 pm to MOT
Ok. My apology. Question, what is the name of the trophy given to USC at the end of the 2003 season?
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:40 pm to eugene1928LSU
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Never happened. AP didn't determine the NC, PERIOD. Why dimwits try to claim this lie is beyond me.
From 1936 through the BCS era, the AP champion was universally recognized as a national champion. Starting in 1950, the Coaches’ Poll champion also was. If the BCS title truly usurped the position of the polls, there would have been no need for the BCS to enter into an agreement with the AFCA to award the Coaches’ Poll championship (and its crystal ball) to the winner of the BCS. That agreement implicitly acknowledged the role the polls played in the recognition of national champions. It did nothing to elevate the Coaches’ Poll to a higher status than the AP Poll. It’s revisionist history to say that the majority of the public did not recognize the legitimacy of the AP Poll champion as a national champion.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:44 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Ok. My apology. Question, what is the name of the trophy given to USC at the end of the 2003 season?
So is it your position that because Michigan has a crystal ball for winning the Coaches’ Poll in 1997, they are the only legitimate champions that year and not Nebraska? The AP poll champion was never the legitimate champion because the Coaches’ Poll just happened to hand out a trophy?
And, to answer your question, USC was awarded the Associated Press Trophy. Yes, that is a real trophy awarded every year since 1936.
This post was edited on 12/18/22 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 12/18/22 at 3:41 pm to MikeTheTiger71
My position is:
During the BCS Era, the National Champion is the team who won the BCS National Championship game(due to the fact that CFB implemented this system to determine the National Championship team), just like during the CFB Playoff Era, the National Champion is the team who won the CFB Playoffs. Pretty damn simple bud. It is not debatable.
During the BCS Era, the National Champion is the team who won the BCS National Championship game(due to the fact that CFB implemented this system to determine the National Championship team), just like during the CFB Playoff Era, the National Champion is the team who won the CFB Playoffs. Pretty damn simple bud. It is not debatable.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 4:35 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Carrol wouldn’t have had an answer to Saban and that defense that year. Would’ve been a blowout.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 5:31 pm to MikeTheTiger71
quote:That's not accurate. USC lost their game 2 weeks before LSU did and to a worse team. LSU had the better resume. LSU beat 4 ranked teams while USC beat 2. It was a protest tantrum. It's why they pulled out of the BCS, they saw their power waning.
The AP poll had USC ranked ahead of LSU the whole season and ranked them #1 at the end of the regular season before anyone had any idea USC would be excluded from the BCS title game. How exactly is that a protest vote?
Posted on 12/18/22 at 6:42 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Back at you gump
Posted on 12/18/22 at 6:54 pm to juice4lsu
Ten years ago…get over it. Who cares?
Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:26 pm to juice4lsu
Pete Carroll was selling a counterfeit championship and throwing himself on the court of sob stories. Classless then and still classless today.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:26 pm to Jake88
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That's not accurate. USC lost their game 2 weeks before LSU did and to a worse team. LSU had the better resume. LSU beat 4 ranked teams while USC beat 2. It was a protest tantrum. It's why they pulled out of the BCS, they saw their power waning.
I stand corrected. LSU was ahead of USC for two weeks in the middle of the season. It doesn’t change the fact that USC was ranked higher than LSU every week after the Florida loss and was #1 in the last AP poll before the BCS game participants were decided. You and I may disagree with their assessment to rank USC higher than LSU, but the final vote was consistent with where they had the two teams ranked every week they both had one loss. They didn’t suddenly switch them at the end as a form of protest.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:38 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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During the BCS Era, the National Champion is the team who won the BCS National Championship game(due to the fact that CFB implemented this system to determine the National Championship team),
I have no problem with anyone deciding that they choose only to recognize the BCS champ during the BCS era. My issue is with the notion that there was anything “official” or quasi-official about the status of the BCS champions. Their agreement with the Coaches’ Poll to crown the winner of their game #1 and present the Coaches’ Poll trophy to the winner shows the title was still a matter up to polls and public perception. I only found 3 articles from the day after in 2004 and all 3 spoke of both LSU and USC as national champions. The link to the Orlando Sentinel is below. Apparently it WAS debatable.
LSU-USC Co-Champs
Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:45 pm to juice4lsu
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USC - 2003 National Championship
Bogus.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:37 am to MikeTheTiger71
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I stand corrected.
See, even you admit that you are discussing stuff that you know little about.
In 2003, the AP was a PART of the BCS formula. There were 4 components to the BCS formula, and the AP was only 1/2 of 1 of the components. In other words, just because 1/8th of the BCS formula was leaning toward USC does not mean that 1/8th gets to supercede the other 7/8ths.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:00 am to TheDude321
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See, even you admit that you are discussing stuff that you know little about.
And then you proceed to post irrelevant nonsense. The BCS formula was just a selection tool. You guys keep trying to assign to the BCS some official status it never had. It wasn’t sanctioned by the NCAA. The winner of the BCS still relied upon public perception and acceptance for its legitimacy. The fact that they had to get an agreement from the Coaches’ Poll to make the winner of the game #1 should tell you the place of the polls in establishing public opinion on who the national champion was. The fact that they immediately changed the selection criteria to avoid a repeat of what happened in 2003 tells you all you need to know about popular opinion at the time. If the BCS itself were accepted as the only arbiter of championship status at the time neither action would have been necessary.
Contemporary sources proclaimed LSU and USC co-champions. The majority of the public accepted them as such. The fact that we’re still having this discussion 19 years later tells you all you need to know. If USC were universally seen as illegitimate in their title claim, no one now would be getting worked up about it.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:24 am to BigNastyTiger417
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what is the name of the trophy given to USC at the end of the 2003 season?
The Associated Press’ 2003 college football championship trophy
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:27 am to MikeTheTiger71
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I have no problem with anyone deciding that they choose only to recognize the BCS champ during the BCS era. My issue is with the notion that there was anything “official” or quasi-official about the status of the BCS champions.
It's the definition of ignorance. An opinion doesnt change reality.
The AP was a widely valued and respected entity and the title carried alot of national weight and respect which is exactly why so many people say it and debate it today. If the AP title had no clout it wouldn't even be a debate. It wouldn't still be written and spoke about.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:31 am to juice4lsu
No. Its the only reason I hate them. Since the BCS era began, National Champs were crowned on the field. But for some reason USC thinks they're special and get to crown themselves NCs for that year because the Media thought they were better than LSU. Frick em. Where's the crystal football? BR.
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