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re: TT fans class and classless at the same time

Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:54 am to
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
25732 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:54 am to
Ran into a TT fan in hotel lobby this morning.

She says "Your team played really well last night. Good game."
I said "So did your team."
She laughs "No they didn't."
I said "Yes I was just being nice."
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66207 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:57 am to
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don't know what to tell you other than Lubbock attracts a different type of Texan... 



It attracts kids that cant finish in the top third of their HS class that can't get into A&M, UT, or the private schools.
Posted by Rekrul
Member since Feb 2007
8796 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:58 am to
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RedRaider


Your team got thoroughly dominated and you are mad as frick, we get it
Posted by Grandioso
Driftwood, TX
Member since Dec 2015
1597 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 11:59 am to
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It attracts kids that cant finish in the top third of their HS class that can't get into A&M, UT, or the private schools.



True, but lots of kids (especially in the greater Dallas and Houston areas) bolt for Oklahoma, Arkansas, LSU, and Ole Miss before considering Texas Tech.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
44250 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:02 pm to
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We were sitting in the end zone so missed some plays into the end zone by LSU players due to this a-hole. We asked several times for him to sit down but he said frick you!!


Do you beta?

It's a football game bro....I side with the dude on this.
Posted by RedRaider
Member since Dec 2015
97 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:03 pm to
How's your bowl game goin', Grand?

Your perspective RE; Lubbock vs. Austin is interesting....considering Austin is more like Kalifournya, than Texas.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59628 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:04 pm to
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Fair point.

So, to keep Lil' Johnny from being further injured...

Any injury requiring stoppage of play.....player sits for the remainder of the series. Or, forfeit a timeout. Two injuries to the same player in the same quarter? Sit for the remainder of the quarter, and the next.

Football is a rough game. Gotta' look out for "the children".



No. That's not the reason. It's because you don't want a player on the field that less effective than he normally would be due to a minor injury.

Texas Tech (and other high pace offenses) are trying to force teams to play with hobbled players. It's an advantage that doesn't exist normally as a player would either "walk it off" or, if needed, hobble to the sidelines for a substitute.

It would be idiotic for a coaching staff to not change the instructions to players on these minor injuries. "If you are less than 100%...stay down. TT isn't going to allow us to run someone in for you otherwise. You won't have time to walk it off and test it."

Your crying is because you didn't foresee other coaches doing this very obvious thing and thus can't get the advantage of playing against hobbled players.
Posted by RedRaider
Member since Dec 2015
97 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:09 pm to
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Your team got thoroughly dominated and you are mad...




It's all good, friend. Been on vacation since last Wednesday, business is booming, gonna' set a record for profits this year. Got to hang out with RED RAIDERS in my hometown....watch some football and drink good whiskey.

Reading this board for the past month....y'all the ones who seem mad.
Posted by Grandioso
Driftwood, TX
Member since Dec 2015
1597 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:11 pm to
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How's your bowl game goin', Grand?


Obviously, we weren't deserving. If we learn to finish games (Cal and Oklahoma State specifically), then we are sitting at 7-5 and getting our arse kicked by LSU and not Tech.

I'll take our wins over Oklahoma and (still can't believe I'm saying this) Baylor and look forward to the 2016 season.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59628 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:13 pm to
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As far as I can tell with my limited knowledge of NCAA rules it appears that TT did not do anything illegal by trying to quickly snap the ball before LSU was ready. It was within the rules; otherwise a penalty would have been called.

As far as I can tell with my limited knowledge of NCAA rules it appears that LSU did not do anything illegal by trying to slow down the quick snap until they were fully prepared to make use of their obvious athletic advantage. It was within the rules; otherwise a penalty would have been called.

This is not to concede the point that LSU did indeed fake an injury. I don't know if that happened or not. My point is that if it is within the rules, and it can be used to your advantage, then you are a moron if you don't take advantage of it.

As far as LSU fans booing because TT is trying snap the ball before LSU is ready or TT fans complaining because they suspect an LSU player is faking an injury...oh well, get over it.




The definition of "injury" just changes against high paced teams. A cramp where a player usually limps off the field and is replaced is no longer an option because TT wants to snap the ball before that can happen. A twisted ankle where a player walks it off and either ultimately stays in the game or waives to the sideline for a quick substitution is no longer an option.

So, players are told to just hit the ground. It makes total sense. I don't think it makes any sense to expect to be able to run a play against a player who is cramping up. That's a team trying to gain an advantage that has never existed in the game before by taking advantage of the rules.

Make no mistake...TT is trying to gain a NEW advantage...one that doesn't exist typically.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59628 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:16 pm to
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It's all good, friend. Been on vacation since last Wednesday, business is booming, gonna' set a record for profits this year. Got to hang out with RED RAIDERS in my hometown....watch some football and drink good whiskey.

Reading this board for the past month....y'all the ones who seem mad.



You are just having trouble looking past your homer perspective.

If you sit back and think about it, it's kind of crazy to expect to be able to force a player who is cramping up to not be able to substitute so that you can take advantage of the situation.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
88768 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:18 pm to
The TTU fans in our section took their arse whipping with grace and class. Almost like they are used to it
Posted by RedRaider
Member since Dec 2015
97 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:20 pm to
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.....Texas Tech (and other high pace offenses) are trying to force teams to play with hobbled players. It's an advantage that doesn't exist normally as a player would either "walk it off" or, if needed, hobble to the sidelines for a substitute....




Do you advocate for a rule where the offense can't snap the ball after it is placed for play....for a given period of time? There is already a rule in place requiring the offense to place the ball in play within a specific time period. Do you believe there should be a specific "dead period" where the offense can't run a play?


You keep citing player safety. Likewise, so do I. If a player is truly injured....steps should be taken to remove him from the game for a sufficient period of time to promote proper "healing". A series for the first injury....a quarter or longer for chronic conditions.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
16908 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:26 pm to
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Reading this board for the past month....y'all the ones who seem mad.

This board is always mad.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
8914 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:27 pm to
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That and a guy faking an injury to get a new pair of pants.



I wonder why shitting your pants shouldn't get an equipment timeout.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
8914 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:29 pm to
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Do you advocate for a rule where the offense can't snap the ball after it is placed for play....for a given period of time? There is already a rule in place requiring the offense to place the ball in play within a specific time period. Do you believe there should be a specific "dead period" where the offense can't run a play?


You keep citing player safety. Likewise, so do I. If a player is truly injured....steps should be taken to remove him from the game for a sufficient period of time to promote proper "healing". A series for the first injury....a quarter or longer for chronic conditions.




I largely agree with this. What about crapping in one's britches? I will admit it is unusual, but isn't that a player safety issue? MRSA, dysentery, pink eye...very dangerous.
Posted by onestonedpony
On the road to Zion
Member since Aug 2012
175 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:32 pm to
They are booing an old Aggie trick. Against the spread offenses, after nearly every play in the second half an aggie would go down with a severe injury, only to be back in the game 2 plays later. I watched them do it to TT and Baylor.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59628 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:38 pm to
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Do you advocate for a rule where the offense can't snap the ball after it is placed for play....for a given period of time? There is already a rule in place requiring the offense to place the ball in play within a specific time period. Do you believe there should be a specific "dead period" where the offense can't run a play?




I'm not advocating for anything. I think they have it right. If a player is hurt...the game stops.

quote:

You keep citing player safety


Nope. Not once. In fact, I clarified it specifically for you. I'm now thinking you want to ignore my point and redefine it.

quote:

If a player is truly injured....steps should be taken to remove him from the game for a sufficient period of time to promote proper "healing". A series for the first injury....a quarter or longer for chronic conditions.



Dumb. And, it's counter to the way football has been played forever. You are advocating for a change to the game because you want a new advantage that has never existed...because you know you have problems competing as is.

"We really can't compete...but if we can find a way to force players to play when they cramp up or are hobbled...that would be an equalizer for us."

Like I said earlier...expecting to be able to force an opposing injured player to play so that you can gain an advantage was a faulty assumption. What you really did is you just forced teams to treat the very minor injuries differently.
Posted by RedRaider
Member since Dec 2015
97 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:46 pm to
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...Dumb. And, it's counter to the way football has been played forever.....



Bear Bryant is cheering and clapping at this very moment. You do know, back in the day....folks made the exact same arguments regarding the forward pass?

A notion which has greatly revolutionized the game. (in some places)
Posted by suga pudin
The Village
Member since Aug 2012
2995 posts
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:49 pm to
I got a ticket through a relative, who is a Texas tech grad. I knew I would be on the enemy territory, but man I was disappointed with alot of the tech fans. I had an old man ball up his fist as if he was going to punch me the first time I yelled for the Tigers. Had another that would constantly flip me off when the Tigers did something well. I grew up going to Texas Tech games and never saw anything like this, granted I was not a fan from the opposing team. Regardless, I'm glad the Tigers whooped dat arse.
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 1:14 pm
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