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re: Trey Watkins given his walking papers by Mainieri

Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:25 pm to
And for the record, I think he is doing the same thing with Jones. It sounds like he will be moving on by mutual agreement. But I think the point moneyg was trying to make is that several guys will be asked to leave because they have underperformed and don't really have much talent/upside, but Jones doesn't necessarily fit into the latter category.
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:26 pm to
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I agree, but Mainieri is cutting Watkins for underachieving, not lack of potential. But I see your point for sure.



No, he's cutting him for potential. If he thought there were a chance that Watkins could hit .280+ with an OBP above .400 and could play a solid Center Field, this conversation wouldn't be happening.
Posted by ninthward
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:27 pm to
CPM comments on Tigerbait anyone read that yet , frick.
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

But I think the point moneyg was trying to make is that several guys will be asked to leave because they have underperformed and don't really have much talent/upside, but Jones doesn't necessarily fit into the latter category.


That's precisely the point I'm making.

Comparing Jones to guys like Snikeris and Didier is crazy.
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:29 pm to
Yeah, sounds like he is saying he fell asleep at the wheel and wants to take a more hands on approach to fix the mess he has created.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:29 pm to
I don't disagree. I'm just saying, you don't cut kids because of a lack of potential. Shouldn't have recruited them in the first place if they have a low ceiling.

By saying you should keep Jones strictly because of potential, you're saying you should cut Watkins because of a lack thereof. I just disagree.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 11:30 pm
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:32 pm to
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By saying you should keep Jones strictly because of potential, you're saying you should cut Watkins because of a lack thereof. I just disagree.



You may have a personal opinion that it shouldn't happen. But, every single baseball program has these types of exit interviews at the end of the season. It happens everywhere and is simply a product of the collegiate baseball system in which scholarships and roster spots are so limited.

You are mistaken if you think what Mainieri is doing is not the norm.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 11:33 pm
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:33 pm to
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No, he's cutting him for potential. If he thought there were a chance that Watkins could hit .280+ with an OBP above .400 and could play a solid Center Field, this conversation wouldn't be happening


frick, if we even had a half decent hitting coach I think he could hit those numbers.

We need to remember, so much of this is because the coaches failed to develop these kids.
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:33 pm to
It is definitely a bad situation. But Mainieri's job could be on the line. I don't know if you've heard or read comments from the press conference this afternoon, but he acknowledged their recruiting model didn't work and he has to make changes to get the program fixed. You're right that Watkins probably shouldn't have been signed in the first place, but in order to fix things we need more talent. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:33 pm to
kinda blew my mind he said he was late for practice and disconnected with the players.
Posted by tigerfan1974
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:34 pm to
There has to be more to this story. Bad blood between Watkins and Maneiri???

I understand Watkins had a horrible year, but he started nearly all the games. Now you cut a starting OF, but have 3 catchers on roster with 2 more coming in.

Yes, I know. There are more cuts to come. But why cut a guy a week before the draft? What statement is trying to be made?

This just sounds like bad blood, however Watkins did continue to start at the end. Idk, I can't make any sense as to why you cut a guy a week before the draft instead of telling him, "hey, it's in your best interest to go pro because I can't use you next year."
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:35 pm to
Fair enough, I definitely get that Mainieri's neck is on the line. Not sure Watkins would normally be cut otherwise.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:35 pm to
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frick, if we even had a half decent hitting coach I think he could hit those numbers.



That's a different argument. I was one of the guys who thought Watkins was going to come around.

If you want to make the argument that Watkins would excel under a different hitting coach, then I won't argue.

My point is that if Mainieri thinks that Watkins pretty much is what he's going to be, then it makes sense that he would give his spot to a younger guy who he thinks has more potential.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68543 posts
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:37 pm to
Yeah I understand. Very rare to hear that about a guy like Watkins. It's weird to believe a coach thinks a guy like Watkins can't improve.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 11:38 pm
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:40 pm to
Has Javi been given his walking papers?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30386 posts
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:41 pm to
The official comment from Mainieri was Watkins status would be evaluated after the draft. The cutting part came from a blog. It could be that Mainieri told him he was losing his scholarship but could come back and compete for a roster spot in the Fall as a walk-on, or go pro.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61864 posts
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

It's weird to believe a coach thinks a guy like Watkins can't improve.



I actually tend to agree with this. But, his performance defensively was surprisingly poor as well. So, in the end, you have a speedy guy who can't hit for average, get on base, or play outfield well enough to stay on the field.

With DH not being an option next year for Watkins, where does he fit? That's a lot of improvement that would have to be made in what would be the guys last year.

Nevertheless, the point is that taking away a guy's scholarship is not uncommon and it certainly is not out of line in college baseball.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 11:44 pm
Posted by tigerfan1974
Member since Dec 2009
607 posts
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:43 pm to
Ahh, thanks for clarifying
Posted by biglsubbfan
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:47 pm to
CPM comments on tigerbait. This guy is a fool. He lost us vonrosenburg and colvin. He recruited those guys and he winned like a baby when they signed. That press conference was a joke. Rooney then signed one good class and one bad class and Grewe signed one good class and one bad class and tba on this upcoming class. Stop winning CPM and just make out a lineup and figure out how to use your bullpen cuz your bullpen sucked.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68543 posts
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:47 pm to
Javi isn't going anywhere. Go find the thread I started today to get the details. I'm on my phone.
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