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Tremont Waters’ last 31 games
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:50 am
I keep reading people say “oh he was so good last year, what happened??”. Guys. He wasn’t good last year either.
This spans from start of SEC play last year until last night
.387 % FG
.294 % 3pt
He has attempted, on average, SIX!!! 3 point shots a game, while shooting a putrid 29%. This is a selfish, team killing stat.
In 2018 he is shooting 27% from 3 on 4.4 shots per game.
However, He actually shoots 48% on 2pt shots, which tells you where exactly his head is at. He should be restricted from shooting 3’s and focus on getting into the lane & making people better. Enough of this hero ball & flirting with the nba.
This spans from start of SEC play last year until last night
.387 % FG
.294 % 3pt
He has attempted, on average, SIX!!! 3 point shots a game, while shooting a putrid 29%. This is a selfish, team killing stat.
In 2018 he is shooting 27% from 3 on 4.4 shots per game.
However, He actually shoots 48% on 2pt shots, which tells you where exactly his head is at. He should be restricted from shooting 3’s and focus on getting into the lane & making people better. Enough of this hero ball & flirting with the nba.
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:51 am to Lester Earl
Now do assists and steals.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:54 am to Lester Earl
Tremont is a turnover machine who takes inefficient shots on a team that is offensively efficient.
I am tired of seeing him try to make the fancy pass across court or the fancy pass in traffic. Stop trying to showcase yourself for scouts. Stop shooting NBA 3s while being guarded. Javonte smart needs to be the primary point guard logging the bulk of the minutes.
I am tired of seeing him try to make the fancy pass across court or the fancy pass in traffic. Stop trying to showcase yourself for scouts. Stop shooting NBA 3s while being guarded. Javonte smart needs to be the primary point guard logging the bulk of the minutes.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:55 am to lsumatt
5.6 ast : 3.3 Turnovers which is a 1.70 ratio which is bad. Good PGs hover around 3
2 steals a game
2 steals a game
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:56 am to Master_yoda88
Smart is 10xs better than Waters. Smart is by far our best offensive player. That dude has mad skills.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:57 am to Lester Earl
If we can’t close games like last night, this is going to be a long season. Still time to get it right.
Plus, the officials last night were not even middle school quality
Plus, the officials last night were not even middle school quality
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:57 am to Lester Earl
quote:
5.6 ast : 3.3 Turnovers which is a 1.70 ratio which is bad. Good PGs hover around 3
Good PGs? You mean literally the elite of the elite?
This aint the NBA man. Most good college PGs are 2:1 or so. When you start getting around 2.5:1 that's really already hitting the elite territory. Talking guys with any sort of assist volume. Not a guard who is 2.9 assists to 1.2 turnovers a game or something
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:59 am to lsumatt
His assist to turnover ratio? You will be surprised. So, when he is on offensive his turnovers lead to points for the opposition and obviously no points for LSU. When he does not turn the ball over, he fires us 3 pointers he has no business shooting which leads to no points most of the time. His defense is suspect, so where does his production come from? A few steals a game is not going to cut it.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:02 am to thunderbird1100
quote:There are currently 151 NCAA players over 2:1 ratio
Good PGs? You mean literally the elite of the elite?
This aint the NBA man. Most good college PGs are 2:1 or so.
LINK
Now, that doesnt break it down by position
Waters this year is at 1.18 ratio, which isnt even in the top 250
They dont track any further than that LINK
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:04 am to PenguinPubes
Agree about the officials. What is it with Texas and officiating?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
quote:
There are currently 151 NCAA players over 2:1 ratio
Again, specified by volume here. It's silly to count someone who has like 2.9 assists to 1.3 turnovers in this. That's not really a PG.
Talking about guys with like 5+ assists a game, EXTREMELY rare for those guys in college to be really much better than 2:1. You'll have some approach 3:1 but that's once again extremely rare territory.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:07 am to thunderbird1100
Not to bash the guy too mich, but nobody on here can spin it to show he's been good this year. He's top 10 in the ncaa in overall turnovers and top 5 in turnovers per game. Those stats are even worse when you consider the amount of swac, meac, southland guards who have had to go up against top 25 teams so far.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:07 am to Lester Earl
quote:
He actually shoots 48% on 2pt shots, which tells you where exactly his head is at. He should be restricted from shooting 3’s and focus on getting into the lane & making people better.
All of this.
Cutting down on the threes and protecting the ball should be all he thinks about right now.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:07 am to Lester Earl
I agree his 3pt shot is killing us this year.
But he doesn't have to be a deadly scorer to help us be better. When his head is in the game he's a playmakers and has the ability to make others around him better. Thats what made him good last year. He shows some of that in these games but too much of the time he's a liability. We aren't going nowhere without him playing better.
But he doesn't have to be a deadly scorer to help us be better. When his head is in the game he's a playmakers and has the ability to make others around him better. Thats what made him good last year. He shows some of that in these games but too much of the time he's a liability. We aren't going nowhere without him playing better.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:09 am to thunderbird1100
quote:It appears about 40 actual point guards have over a 3:1 ratio
Again, specified by volume here. It's silly to count someone who has like 2.9 assists to 1.3 turnovers in this. That's not really a PG.
I would say thats a fair breakdown of being considered good.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:12 am to Lester Earl
quote:
This is a selfish, team killing stat.
This can't be said enough. The kid is playing selfish basketball in an attempt to make the league. Meanwhile, we are losing close games (Florida State and Houston) because we are wasting possessions with terrible shots and bad turnovers. When you play good teams, every possession matters and Tremont is wasting around 10 possessions a game with selfish play.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
quote:
It appears about 40 actual point guards have over a 3:1 ratio
I would say thats a fair breakdown of being considered good.
20 of the Top 50 on that list are doing it at any real volume (5+ a game).
That's also over a whopping 7-8-9 games for most of them, let's check back at the end of a 30+ game season, especially once teams get into competitive conference play. For instance Alex Robinson for TCU is averaging 9 assists a game at a 3.43:1 AST:TO ratio (ridiculous). Last year he was 6.1 assists to 3.3 turnovers a game (under 2:1). He had 14, 13, 12 and 9 assists this year against Fresno St, Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan and Cal State-Bakersfield, not exactly powerhouses and certainly going to skew the numbers early on.
A guy who is like 3 assists to 1 turnover a game though (3:1) is just taking care of the basketball, not really creating anything for his team. I wouldnt count those.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:13 am to thunderbird1100
T bird, I said hover around 3.0
shite that could be 3.0 or even 2.5
He isn’t close to that
You couple the 3.3 TOS with all the long misses & he might as well give the ball away 7-8 tines a game
shite that could be 3.0 or even 2.5
He isn’t close to that
You couple the 3.3 TOS with all the long misses & he might as well give the ball away 7-8 tines a game
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:14 am to PenguinPubes
quote:It’s like they got a cookie every time they blew the whistle. They ate a lot of cookies.
Plus, the officials last night were not even middle school quality
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:17 am to Lester Earl
quote:
T bird, I said hover around 3.0
shite that could be 3.0 or even 2.5
He isn’t close to that
You couple the 3.3 TOS with all the long misses & he might as well give the ball away 7-8 tines a game
OH you wont find any argument from me about Waters, dude is just lost right now.
Just saying 3:1 AST:TO ratio at any sort of real volume of assists over the course of a season is extremely rare, not just "good" territory. But high end elite.
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