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re: Travel ball as the source of our lack of fundamentals
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:05 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:05 pm to tigerfoot
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There is not a team in the State that can play 4-5 games in one weekend and not overwork a pitcher. I do not care how much is said about protecting their arms
Most upper level teams are stocked with pitchers. My sons team has 11 kids and 11 pitchers.. most weekends we only go through 7-8.. your top end guys throw an inning or 2 on sat sometimes and then go 3-5 on Sunday.. we have a soft 75 pitch daily limit and 90-100 for a weekend
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:06 pm to tigerfoot
quote:not how it was in the league(s) I played in from 8-13 1973 through 1978 In Nola and SW la.... there were no limits in either area
Travel ball as the source of our lack of fundamentals
Out of curiosity I went and grabbed my scrapbook from my 11 year old Little League year. Played 17 total games including the post season tournament.
Our pitching breakdown went like:
Pitcher A: 38 innings, 15 runs, 26 hits, 20 walks, 67 K, 5 wild pitch and 158 batters faced.
Pitcher B: 31 innings, 18 runs, 23 hits, 12 walks, 46 k, 3 wild pitch, 132 batters faced
Pitcher C (tiger foot), 18 innings pitched, 10 runs, 16 hits, 8 wlks, 33 k, 0 wild pitches, 82 batters faced
Pitcher D: 4 innings, 1 run, 2 hits, 6 walks, 6k, 1 wild pitch, 20 batters
Pitcher E: 3 IP, 3 R, 4 H, 3 BB, 4k, 1 WP, 17 BF
Your notion that all rec leagues threw an ace pitcher every game back in the day is incorrect, there was a 6 inning per week limit back then. And that was the end of the season, they didnt even have All Stars until the following year or two.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:13 pm to choupiquesushi
enjoyed it man. Probably just going in circles now. Hughes still needs to be able to bunt
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:15 pm to tigerfoot
quote:yes
Hughes still needs to be able to bunt
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:16 pm to choupiquesushi
With all due respect to you being a travel ball coach, 1975 rules are not the same as today’s. So that being said it would make a lot more sense for guys to loose arms back then. All I’m saying is that’s better for the kids to throw less in travel ball and we wouldn’t have pitchers going out their freshman year with Tommy John. Hopefully my son won’t have to deal with that when he is in college or where ever life takes him.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:21 pm to Jim Rockford
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Dont make my kid bunt, dont make him hit a sacrifice fly, dont make him be a pinch hitter, or I'll take him to a team where he will be the Man.
You just described rec baseball, genius. 
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:00 pm to Louie
quote:which was my point and it's been 10 years since the last "competitive" league YBBR in Baton Rouge died..... so if a kid wants to develop into a HS baseball player it ain't gonna happen playing against guys throwing fast balls with an arc and coaches teaching kids to hold runners at third......
With all due respect to you being a travel ball coach, 1975 rules are not the same as today’s. So that being said it would make a lot more sense for guys to loose arms back then.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:10 pm to Jim Rockford
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Dont make my kid bunt, dont make him hit a sacrifice fly, dont make him be a pinch hitter, or I'll take him to a team where he will be the Man. So they get to this level deficient in skills that should be second nature by the time theyre in middle school.
as someone who played travel ball for ~10 years, none of this is true.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:46 pm to TROLA
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Most upper level teams are stocked with pitchers. My sons team has 11 kids and 11 pitchers.. most weekends we only go through 7-8.. your top end guys throw an inning or 2 on sat sometimes and then go 3-5 on Sunday.. we have a soft 75 pitch daily limit and 90-100 for a weekend
So a kid is going to throw 95 pitches, play the field and you don't think this is a little over the top?
I'm assuming they throw curves too right? For how many months?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:11 pm to Jim Rockford
We stayed at a hotel this past weekend where 2 travel ball teams were staying. Met the parents at the pool and they were all trashy as frick. That's all I know about travel ball.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:22 pm to TigerScribe
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Do they not play travel ball in Oregon?
This. Their team put on a clinic while we looked like Bad News Bears. Travel ball isn’t the reason for their dominance over us, their kids played the same tournaments.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 5:32 pm to tigerfoot
I'm a little late to this discussion... Tigerfoot, I agree with most of what you've said.
A couple of points:
First, Perfect Game does it right: pitch counts. If a player throws over 20 pitches on Saturday he's done for the weekend. Period. USSSA and OTC take the lazy/cheap way out and go by innings.
Travel ball teams should be showing up at these weekend tournaments with a minimum of 8 kids who can fairly consistently throw strikes. That accounts for the 2-3 that will have off days and you're still safe. Problem is, these neighborhood teams form with 2-3 pitcher's they hope to ride while they develop others. That's a recipe for disaster.
Fundamentals are a big part of many AA and all AAA+ teams I've seen.
My dream travel ball coach would make it clear that every kid will sit a fair bit, and learn to be a good teammate from the dugout. You pout, you can expect to sit the rest of the game and all the next one.
That's my biggest gripe with it, having 2 boys in it the last few years: the entitled attitudes several kids have, and it starts with their parents and is often overlooked by the coaches.
I also love rec ball and wish there was more support. Both travel ball and rec ball can have their place.
A couple of points:
First, Perfect Game does it right: pitch counts. If a player throws over 20 pitches on Saturday he's done for the weekend. Period. USSSA and OTC take the lazy/cheap way out and go by innings.
Travel ball teams should be showing up at these weekend tournaments with a minimum of 8 kids who can fairly consistently throw strikes. That accounts for the 2-3 that will have off days and you're still safe. Problem is, these neighborhood teams form with 2-3 pitcher's they hope to ride while they develop others. That's a recipe for disaster.
Fundamentals are a big part of many AA and all AAA+ teams I've seen.
My dream travel ball coach would make it clear that every kid will sit a fair bit, and learn to be a good teammate from the dugout. You pout, you can expect to sit the rest of the game and all the next one.
That's my biggest gripe with it, having 2 boys in it the last few years: the entitled attitudes several kids have, and it starts with their parents and is often overlooked by the coaches.
I also love rec ball and wish there was more support. Both travel ball and rec ball can have their place.
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