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re: Travel ball as the source of our lack of fundamentals

Posted on 6/3/18 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by WilsonPickett
St Amant, LA
Member since Oct 2009
1677 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

Andrew Stevenson, Mickey Mahtook, Antoine Duplantis, both Jordans, those are all little league players


Beau & Bryce Jordans 2009 Travel Ball team sent 74-3! Terror Baseball.
Mahtook played for the Cajun Sluggers way back in 02-04!
Duplantis and Stevenson both played 5-6 seasons of travel ball in the Lafayette area....

They may have played little league also but ALL played travel ball.
Posted by Andy Bernard
Cornell University
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/3/18 at 6:45 pm to
It is Javi's fault
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:08 pm to
Something has to give

We can’t have travel ball coach and travel ball dad continuously tell us they teach it, but have their product fail at such a high rate.

You may teach it and practice it....but I have to question if it’s being done correctly?
Posted by INFIDEL
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
16199 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:29 pm to
Are y’all really saying that LSU sucks at bunting because travel ball?

My god. This frickin place never disappoints.
Posted by DaleGribblesMower
Member since Dec 2013
4560 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:30 pm to
Need a sarcasm font
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

Are y’all really saying that LSU sucks at bunting because travel ball?

My god. This frickin place never disappoints.


We are saying it sucks everywhere if you would bother to look.




Posted by numbnuts
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:58 pm to
Go frick yourself pussy
Posted by numbnuts
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:59 pm to
Go frick yourself pussy
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 8:01 pm to
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I really wish admins would implement a system where they could take away peoples thread making abilities. 75% of the threads started on here are just plain stupid. No way of even being nice about it. Just some random thought pops up, and bam a thread is made.



What random strangers post on an anonymous internet message board shouldn't get to you that much man, it simply shouldn't.
This post was edited on 6/3/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
58974 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 8:26 pm to
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We can’t have travel ball coach and travel ball dad continuously tell us they teach it, but have their product fail at such a high rate. You may teach it and practice it....but I have to question if it’s being done correctly?


You all are nuts.

These kids aren’t coming to LSU off of the SE Texas Octane Rippers formed from the local rec leagues. By the time they reach LSU they have played multiple years of select and showcase ball, and in some cases 2 years in good juco programs.

They have been exposed to good coaching.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
58974 posts
Posted on 6/3/18 at 8:27 pm to
quote:

Are y’all really saying that LSU sucks at bunting because travel ball?


They really don’t know what they are trying to say
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:37 am to
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They really don’t know what they are trying to say


I’m saying there were noticeable problems with positioning of feet, bat and hands in multiple games I witnessed this weekend. I will leave one LSU player nameless. But there were at least 3 noticeable mistakes made in his approach to bunting.

Who should I blame for this?
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
10310 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:48 am to
quote:

Dont make my kid bunt, dont make him hit a sacrifice fly, dont make him be a pinch hitter, or I'll take him to a team where he will be the Man. So they get to this level deficient in skills that should be second nature by the time theyre in middle school.






This post was edited on 6/5/18 at 4:22 am
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
18019 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:46 am to
That wasn't my sons experience with tournament ball. Four years he played either AAA or Major Division. It was good baseball. Very good baseball. Wasn't room for kids playing for any other reason than his ability and effort. Anything less, hurt the teams ability to compete.
Again, not sure where or who your speaking of.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
58974 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:19 am to
quote:

I’m saying there were noticeable problems with positioning of feet, bat and hands in multiple games I witnessed this weekend. I will leave one LSU player nameless. But there were at least 3 noticeable mistakes made in his approach to bunting.

Who should I blame for this?


The player

Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
13089 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:54 am to
No , travel ball doesn’t let the coaches off the hook....



Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
2748 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:07 am to
I have 2 kids that play travel ball. I was the dad that held out on it for the longest but eventually when you get to the little league team and your kid is still the only one that can catch you have to give in. I think the OP has obviously heard some bad examples of travel ball but it’s like anything there are really good examples and really bad examples. I am an assistant coach on my 10 year olds team. We are coached by a former high school baseball coach. He has taught fundamentals from day 1. We teach bunting every hitting practice which is once a week. We teach proper form but not all of the kids respond to it perfectly. We have 3-4 kids on the team that can lay down beautiful bunts.

Just to give you an example of our practices. This was a fielding practice that I ran because our coach was out that night. This was a fielding practice.

1.) Fielding Bunt coverages...teaching who charges where and covers what base based on where runners are.
2.) First and third situations. Basically holding runners when there are runners on the corners.
3.) Routine ground balls...hard hit and charging
4.) Hot box situations. Where each kid should be in a hot box.
5.) Catchers throwing out base runners. We timed each of them at getting out of their stance and rid of the ball.

That’s about 1 and a half hours of fundamentals. We don’t always execute it perfectly. Each kid is still developing. We don’t do exactly the same thing each practice but it’s generally 4-5 sessions of fundamentals. I can promise you this stuff is no longer taught in Little League. While I’m disappointed in many aspects of travel ball and have concerns with some things the fundamentals and reps the kids get is the best of tournament ball. Our kids at LSU learned to bunt all along the way. They just don’t appear to practice it to keep it sharp. Most of these things are fine arts. Without continuous reps the art is lost.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 8:31 am
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32671 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:50 am to
quote:

Dont make my kid bunt, dont make him hit a sacrifice fly, dont make him be a pinch hitter, or I'll take him to a team where he will be the Man. So they get to this level deficient in skills that should be second nature by the time theyre in middle school.
as a travel ball coach.. our leading homerun hitter also has the most sac bunts on the team......


also bbcor bats have led to much more bunting in HS.... heck one team bunted 12 times in one game vs my sons team 3 years ago
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 8:52 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
58974 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:29 am to
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We don’t do exactly the same thing each practice but it’s generally 4-5 sessions of fundamentals. I can promise you this stuff is no longer taught in Little League.
I am a very strong proponent of a strong local rec league. My older son plays travel and my youngest son does not enjoy baseball as much, so I hope there is always a strong local league for him to participate in if he so chooses.

I see both sides of the coin. My sons travel team has 4-5 coaches at each practice. The instruction time is there and the attention is there. But most importantly you have kids that are wanting to improve and will focus most of the time.

The largest reasons that rec leagues cant teach as much situation baseball is the lack of available coaches. It is impossible to teach more technical aspects of baseball when you can only get one or two coaches to try to organize 10-12 kids of widely varying abilities.


Travel ball has a place and the design of trying to cram tournaments into one weekend is the biggest problem. 4 games on one day is too many.

Not executing a bunt when you are an LSU caliber player is not the fault of anyone but the player. Period.
Posted by Louie
Locust Grove, GA
Member since Jun 2006
855 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:45 am to
Travel ball should literally only involve older kids trying to enhance their scholarship/draft status. Middle school baseball is good, but high school is when these kids should be playing and learning from former major/minor leaguers. If they are not dual sport athletes, then play fall ball during football, High School ball, and finally in the summer.

My son is playing travel ball his junior year and hasn't been allowed to be around it for several years. He has been a dual sport athlete with great success. He came to us this year and decided to focus on baseball.
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