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re: Toliver to Miles: Thanks, bud...or not?
Posted on 5/2/11 at 10:16 am to ForeLSU
Posted on 5/2/11 at 10:16 am to ForeLSU
quote:
sure it does...
absolutley not. He is saying that the coaches and qb play kept him from developing into his potential, which since he spent 4 years at LSU, means that these factors have SOMETHING to do with his capabilities heading into the combine and the draft, ergo something aside from JUST TT had a bearing on him not getting drafted...according this this statement....
quote:...TT and only TT is responsible for this (for you information, that would be what the word totally means)
TT is totally responsible for being UNDRAFTED but the coaches and qb play are responsible for him being so far away from his potential.
.. as such, his statement simply does not compute.
This post was edited on 5/2/11 at 10:17 am
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 10:34 am to therocketscientist
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.. as such, his statement simply does not compute
frankly none of us know why TT wasn't drafted, so at this point, assigning "blame" is a pointless exercise. But if we assume that TT has the talent and potential to play in the NFL, and given his size and experience at a top program, something set off a red flag that kept him from getting selected late. Could be injury concerns, who knows. But the statement makes sense given the assumptions I just laid out, and given his position. Development may have kept him out of the third round, but red flags kept him out of the draft all together.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 11:03 am to Jaketigger
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you described Brandon Lafell except TT had height on him and was a better blocker.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 11:11 am to Bucky Goldstein
to clarify TT was TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE for going undrafted. I meant that he could have done enough on his own (given his talent level) to get drafted in the late rounds. he didn't do that.
the coaches, qb could have helped him achieve more of his potential and thus he would then have been drafted even higher than the late rounds.
TT could have gotten himself drafted into the 5th - 7th rounds, but it would have taken good coaching and/or good qb play to get him in the 2nd - 4th rounds.
the coaches, qb could have helped him achieve more of his potential and thus he would then have been drafted even higher than the late rounds.
TT could have gotten himself drafted into the 5th - 7th rounds, but it would have taken good coaching and/or good qb play to get him in the 2nd - 4th rounds.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 11:52 am to ForeLSU
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given his size and experience at a top program, something set off a red flag that kept him from getting selected late
That's exactly correct and I can't understand how any reasonable/sane LSU fan could disagree.
You had 5-10 or 6-0 guys going late from non-BCS schools and having lower draft grades. Something become known/suspected/noted in workouts that caused the fall/lack of being drafted and it had nothing to do with a past OC or QB throwing the ball. imo
Hopefully, he gets a chance to prove the pro scouts wrong.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 2:18 pm to jdg91878
quote:USC had 9 drafted, Kiff must be doing a good job too.
Les does just fine developing players. 5 players drafted in the top 3 rounds this year, 5
Posted on 5/2/11 at 2:25 pm to Geauxtiga
les does just fine developing players
NOT SO FAST.
SIGNED
JJ & JL
NOT SO FAST.
SIGNED
JJ & JL
Posted on 5/2/11 at 2:27 pm to Larry Hollins
quote:AND...Keiland Williams, Al Woods, Russell Shep (to now)...so many.
SIGNED
JJ & JL
Posted on 5/2/11 at 2:36 pm to therocketscientist
Toliver was hurt immensely by not having someone capable of getting him the ball.
Clearly, as evidenced by the Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl and the second half against Bama this season, JJ is capable of getting the ball to his playmakers when not restrained by the coaching staff.
Some will claim this fault lies with Crowton (which it doesn't). Whether Miles was responsible for game planning or play calls or whether Crowton was...Miles hired him.
Clearly, as evidenced by the Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl and the second half against Bama this season, JJ is capable of getting the ball to his playmakers when not restrained by the coaching staff.
Some will claim this fault lies with Crowton (which it doesn't). Whether Miles was responsible for game planning or play calls or whether Crowton was...Miles hired him.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 3:33 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
A) 0% Miles 100% Toliver
Miles didn't drop passes. Miles didn't "not" display the intangibles the NFL scouts were looking for. Miles didn't fail to impress at the combine.
That said, I think Toliver will make a team and play WR in the NFL when they resume play. He will have to earn every penny, but his height is something uncoachable and regardless of my criticisms, I think he is a good (not great) football player.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 3:48 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think Toliver will make a team and play WR in the NFL when they resume play. He will have to earn every penny, but his height is something uncoachable and regardless of my criticisms, I think he is a good (not great) football player.
this makes sense.
T.T. has a lot of things that works for him, size and speed, that will get him a f.a. shot.
He has things that works against him. he wasn't a very good blocker, he dropped easy passes. when the ball was thrown up (50/50 balls) he rarely came down with it. thus, not drafted.
he showed flashes of an outstanding wr then other times you had to scratch your head.
i can tell you, t.t. probably knows why he wasn't drafted. i'm sure the scouts informed him of their concerns. it's up to him to make it as a free agent. if i were him, try out at st louis. good qb, no wr's.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 3:53 pm to Geauxtiga
quote:
quote:
SIGNED
JJ & JL
AND...Keiland Williams, Al Woods, Russell Shep (to now)...so many.
What about all the players that have done well since arriving at LSU? Do those guys not count?
This post was edited on 5/2/11 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/2/11 at 3:59 pm to jdg91878
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Les does just fine developing players. 5 players drafted in the top 3 rounds this year, 5 drafted in top 6 overall in last 5 years, and maintains a top overall number of players in the NFL. Based on the talent level of the 2011, the trend will not stop.
Considering only 1 player from 2008 left early we still havent seen all of 07, 08, 09, 10, or 11 go through the draft. Other players made it, TT didnt. Doesnt mean he wont be on an nfl team though.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 4:20 pm to dgnx6
TT will go the Texans route. He could get in some action in their passing game in the multi-reciever sets. If her wakes up this this situation, he could end up a great compliment to Dre
Posted on 5/17/11 at 3:20 am to Hulkklogan
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What's so hilarious about it? It's mostly TT. But bad QB play and a system where we run first will hinder a WR's numbers and progress to a degree.
It is hilarious b/c you called the thread "idiotic", meaning it was not worthy of discussion on a board named the freakin "rant", yet you decided to validate the merit of the thread in the same breathe by provided a credible answer. THAT is funny.
Posted on 5/17/11 at 10:27 am to therocketscientist
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It is hilarious b/c you called the thread "idiotic", meaning it was not worthy of discussion on a board named the freakin "rant", yet you decided to validate the merit of the thread in the same breathe by provided a credible answer. THAT is funny.
Meh. I decided to throw my 2 cents in, don't see why that's so funny. I see the hypocrisy though.
Posted on 5/17/11 at 11:09 am to therocketscientist
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Was it mostly Miles fault for mis managing the most important position on the team (QB), or mostly Toliver's fault for developing too slowly?
Both.
He never really lived up to his potential at LSU but then again the word around the NFL is LSU players arent coached up very well.
Posted on 5/17/11 at 11:13 am to therocketscientist
Saw Terrance downtown last weekend. He doesn't say much.
Posted on 5/17/11 at 11:21 am to LockdownDefense
Toliver 100%
Posted on 5/17/11 at 11:22 am to Ray Ray Rodman
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the word around the NFL is LSU players arent coached up very well.
Where'd you hear this? Do you have proof of this?
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