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re: To the "ESPN hate LSU" crowd

Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9068 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:03 pm to
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So 2-3 years is a decline??


It's actually four years, but don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.

2011: 8-0
2012: 6-2
2013: 5-3
2014: 4-4
2015: 4-3 (three embarrassing loses, all in the West)
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10660 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:04 pm to
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You sound like the guy who holds a stock all the way to bankruptcy because you have the faith that the leaders can turn it around if they just get a little more time...




You sound like the guy who bought at the top and sells at the bottom. 15 million is a lot of money, and will be a huge burden on TAF, regardless of having the money to do it.

Again, the point is, there is a very low chance a new coach next year will have the success that is expected.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9068 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:06 pm to
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Again, the point is, there is a very low chance a new coach next year will have the success that is expected


Would rather take that chance, because on Miles' current track, there is very little chance this team will live up to expectations next year with him as well.
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
4378 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:07 pm to
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When you fire your coach, that rarely ever means your program is immediately going to be successful and have fantastic seasons in the following couple years.


But it does happen, like Florida this year.

It's a roll of the dice and can go either way.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
34706 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:07 pm to
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15 million is a lot of money, and will be a huge burden on TAF, regardless of having the money to do it.
Football is by far LSUs biggest bread winner. If not here, where else would you spend this money? We are dangerously close to the Mack Brown situation with Texas. After Felipe Franks flips our QB depth chart is going to be embarrassing even for our standards.

Les is a great man, but the time has come for him to go.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:12 pm to
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15 million is a lot of money, and will be a huge burden on TAF, regardless of having the money to do it.
And what's the cost if he stays? Think about it.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10660 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:13 pm to
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Would rather take that chance, because on Miles' current track, there is very little chance this team will live up to expectations next year with him as well.


I'll support LSU either way, but this board is delusional if the expectation is to hire Jimbo and win a national championship next year.

Not to mention, people already complain ticket prices are too high, having to pay for tailgating, parking, etc. that shite is only going up after we fork over 15 (likely 20 after all the assistants and coordinators are account for) million.

And, I seem to remember the board crucifying Alleva for being "cheap" in the past. What's the response going to be when he hires a guy for $3 million? The fact that the board thinks we are going to pay Les' buyout and then pony up $6 million + on a coach is a stretch.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10660 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:14 pm to
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And what's the cost if he stays? Think about it.


Well if it's easy to hire a homerun guy at the snap of a finger, we should be able to do it next year with minimal damage I'd think.
Posted by TigersCajuns
Earth
Member since Sep 2010
353 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:16 pm to
quote:


2011: 8-0
2012: 6-2
2013: 5-3
2014: 4-4
2015: 4-3 (three embarrassing loses, all in the West)


Fixed it:
2011: 8-0 (After 1/9/12 - next year)
2012: 6-2 Next year
2013: 5-3 Next year
2014: 4-4 Next year
2015: 4-3 (three embarrassing loses, all in the West) This is it we promise we are young, things will change, best recruits ever, don't let the arse rapes by Bama, Arky & Ole Piss fool you.... NEXT YEAR
Posted by griswold
Member since Oct 2009
4238 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:19 pm to
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we will be raked over the coals

To the "the sky will fall if we fire Miles" crowd.
I'd rather be raked over coals than be the laughing stock we currently are with our grass eating, nose picking, ear digging, clock-challenged, boneheaded coach.
Posted by WHATDOINO
Member since Dec 2008
6900 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:21 pm to
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cheap" in the past. What's the response going to be when he hires a guy for $3 million? The fact that the board thinks we are going to pay Les' buyout and then pony up $6 million + on a coach is a stretch.




And what happens if the replacement is a winner and surpasses all expectations?
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
92883 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:22 pm to
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ou sound like the guy who bought at the top and sells at the bottom.


How does he sound like that?

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15 million is a lot of money, and will be a huge burden on TAF, regardless of having the money to do it.


$15 MM is a lot of money, but why do you think TAF will be the only check writer? Also, you don't that they'll be writing one $15 MM check do you?

quote:

Again, the point is, there is a very low chance a new coach next year will have the success that is expected.


I disagree with "low"chance.

I think, given the right coach, they can certainly improve over this year.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48794 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:26 pm to
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The only thing I think we get killed on is the hire, so Joe better not frick it up.


we will get killed for the buyout but that will come from people that don't know the specifics that LSU sports supports itself entirely.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 7:27 pm
Posted by jrctiger84
New orleans
Member since Aug 2013
721 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:27 pm to
You just touched on the problem that I see with a coaching change. Orgeron, Wilson and a couple other great coaches and fantastic recruiters could be effected.
Posted by el gato
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
2473 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:32 pm to
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this board is delusional if the expectation is to hire Jimbo and win a national championship next year.
Exactly. Thank goodness Miles has this program in such sad shape that national championship talk is totally out of the question next year no matter who the coach is. However, it would not be unreasonable to expect LSU to have a passing attack that ranks better than 105th. Baby steps at first.
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Not to mention, people already complain ticket prices are too high, having to pay for tailgating, parking, etc. that shite is only going up after we fork over 15 (likely 20 after all the assistants and coordinators are account for) million.
The Advocate says its $12.9 million for Les on Jan.1, $2 million for the assistants, and that the money for the assistants is already in the budget. I trust The Advocate more than I trust you. Also, the SEC brought in an NCAA record $455 million last year, a good bit more than the $309 million it made in 2014. The athletic department seems to know what they are doing here.

Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10660 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:34 pm to
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$15 MM is a lot of money, but why do you think TAF will be the only check writer? Also, you don't that they'll be writing one $15 MM check do you?


No and no.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10660 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:35 pm to
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And what happens if the replacement is a winner and surpasses all expectations?


I'll be cheering my arse off!!
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
92883 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:36 pm to
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No and no.


Oh, 'cause earlier you said that TAF would pay it, so I guess it's really not as bad as you think for TAF, right?
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10660 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:42 pm to
I'm not sure where you're going with this? TAF=boosters. Same difference
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 7:46 pm
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
92883 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:49 pm to
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TAF=boosters. Same difference


Not exactly...

One is a private group, and the other could be a private individual.

My point is that TAF likely would not be the only check writers here, their would likely be some individual donors, as well.
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