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re: Tired of the “Ensminger doesn’t have what it takes” narrative
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:24 pm to Clark W Griswold
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:24 pm to Clark W Griswold
You need to be able to create plays, too, not just call them.
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:25 pm to iamandykeim
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ave a playbook is the thing. he’s just a good playcaller. now that we have a good playbook,
A good playbook can be dissected and countered without new plays and wrinkles added to it throughout the season. The real question should be, who created the plays, and if that was Brady, can E have the same creativity?
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:34 pm to Clark W Griswold
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It’s a new system this year. A system he now understands. A system he called plays for all season when we went 15-0. Show me one time on film where Brady called plays before we got up big.
And Brennan is going to have to run a modified version of that system, because he's not Burrow and has certain skills that aren't as highly pitched as Burrow's.
The question is do you trust Ensminger to know what needs to be changed to optimize Brennan's strengths and minimize his weaknesses? I contend that if he had those type of diagnostic skills, we wouldn't have needed Brady in the first place.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:40 pm to iamandykeim
Honestly though anyone could've called plays with burrow and those concepts.
Slinger just needs a co-oc
Simple as that
Doesn't mean he isn't a great coach just means he needs help with concepts and game planning
Todd monken could help wi5h5 this also
Slinger just needs a co-oc
Simple as that
Doesn't mean he isn't a great coach just means he needs help with concepts and game planning
Todd monken could help wi5h5 this also
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:41 pm to Goldrush25
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The question is do you trust Ensminger to know what needs to be changed to optimize Brennan's strengths and minimize his weaknesses? I contend that if he had those type of diagnostic skills, we wouldn't have needed Brady in the first place.
You do realize that Brady was the WR coach and passing game coordinator. He offered Ensminger the help he needed to get familiar with an explosive offense. Ensminger’s not a fool. It takes a man to admit when he could use a hand.
Position coaches do more than just run individual practice drills. Some are obviously better than others. Munoz gets high praise from Burrow, and that’s good enough for me.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:42 pm to Goldrush25
Brady programmed Burrow. Brady understood the relationship that Payton and Brees have. I don't think Ensminger is capable of that. They're going to have to find someone very innovative to carry this forward.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:45 pm to TNTigerman
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Well, did he before this year?
He did set a bunch of records in 2016.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:49 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I think he and Brady both benefited each other this year but I personally would rather have E if we were only going to have one back.
Yeah, we got the playbook, the offense is in place, Saints are down the road, and staff knows what it takes.
Also we just won the Natty, and at a minimum, the greatest season of LSU football ever. I’ll allow a little leeway.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:54 pm to brad8504
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You do realize that Brady was the WR coach and passing game coordinator. He offered Ensminger the help he needed to get familiar with an explosive offense. Ensminger’s not a fool. It takes a man to admit when he could use a hand.
It doesn't sound like we disagree.
Ensminger recommended bringing Brady aboard because Brady has coaching skills that he didn't possess.
I'm objecting to people that think that we're all good because we have Brady's playbook. We'll need someone else to assist Ensminger with the offense again.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:55 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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We all love Slinger. But when he was full Oc he scored 0 TD’s against Bama. Twice.
He wasn’t OC in 2017 right? or did Canada get fired?
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:57 pm to iamandykeim
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Slinger doesn’t really have a playbook is the thing. he’s just a good playcaller. now that we have a good playbook, I think he’ll be fine without Brady if I’m being honest. I don’t see us reverting back to what we were doing before Brady got here, so what do people think is going to change offensively?
Why do people think coaches carry around some secret playbook? You want to get a playbook, just go watch any other team and copy what they do.
Most teams are all running the same plays. Most teams also don’t normally run more than say 20 plays (with variations thereon based on formation/motion). You don’t need 500000 “secret” plays. You just run the same plays well and you will win.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 6:58 pm to iamandykeim
It’s a lot more involved than just having a fricking playbook. If it were that simple, everyone would do it
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:00 pm to BilJ
Getting a playbook is basically just watching the Chiefs all 22 then jotting it down in a notebook.
Route concepts that work aren’t a secret.
Route concepts that work aren’t a secret.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:04 pm to CorporateTiger
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Most teams are all running the same plays. Most teams also don’t normally run more than say 20 plays (with variations thereon based on formation/motion). You don’t need 500000 “secret” plays. You just run the same plays well and you will win.
I think where coaches mainly fail is not properly assessing the skillset of their players and putting them in the best possible situation to succeed.
Burrow said it himself last season, he wasn't comfortable running that offense. But we still ran the offense for the entire season. It shouldn't have happened. He had some success because as we can see he was just that damn good but Ensminger didn't know how to get the most out of him.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:09 pm to Lsuchampnj
Ensminger in charge? We were 10-0, 24-10 and 29-0 against Alabama. He's a known quantity.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:10 pm to Goldrush25
Correct. Look at the Patriots. The Patriots run whatever scheme works for them at the time. When Brady was at his peak they passed everyone into the ground ‘06. Now with limited talent on the edge and a post-peak Brady they won a Super Bowl with a run heavy attack.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:12 pm to Goldrush25
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t doesn't sound like we disagree.
Ensminger recommended bringing Brady aboard because Brady has coaching skills that he didn't possess.
I'm objecting to people that think that we're all good because we have Brady's playbook. We'll need someone else to assist Ensminger with the offense again.
We probably don't disagree. Even guys like Kiffin, Leach, Gundy and other prominent offensive guru head coaches have coordinators. They kind of get lost in the noise when they're not actually calling plays.
My apologies for coming across as abrasive in the latter half of my original post, but yes, I'm also in agreement with you that just because you hand someone a playbook doesn't mean they can run the offense.
As BillJ mentioned, if that's it takes, you could the offense yourself. If position coaches only ran individual drills, I'd probably apply for an OL role and make $100,000.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:12 pm to Lsuchampnj
Ignorant people make this argument.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 7:25 pm to Lsuchampnj
You can't learn the ability to be creative or innovative. You can learn an offense, but it will be out dated quickly. New concepts and outside the box ideas are needed from game to game. Ensminger's creativity results in "0" points against a great defense. People are not understanding what makes Brady amazing. If it was just learning an offense and then bam, your good, then every team would be running this great offense.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:46 pm to Drayton80
My point was never about ensminger having the creativity to design the plays solo... but creating a system that does. Ensminger will stay and he’ll add new talent to build on what Brady created.
O kept Ensminger on for a reason -Leadership to build an offense without the shackles imposed by his preseason. That process has begun and it will keep building on itself .
Relax and enjoy what will be many years of LSU offensive dominance
O kept Ensminger on for a reason -Leadership to build an offense without the shackles imposed by his preseason. That process has begun and it will keep building on itself .
Relax and enjoy what will be many years of LSU offensive dominance
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