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re: This will probably not be well received by some re: wiretap
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:01 pm to loopback
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:01 pm to loopback
So how do they pick what coaches they wiretap? The conversation they have here is the conversation that takes place in every division 1 athletic administration office for all the major sports. Are you telling me that UNC, DUKE, Louisville, UK, Gonzaga, Villanova, Indiana etc etc etc don't do this? Drive by the Athletic buildings of any major institution and look at the vehicles that the student athletes are driving.
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:03 pm to loopback
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the amount of manipulation that can be spun by the news media?
I’m mostly with you, but this whole “spun by the news media” catchall is completely played out. Yes, media reporters can inject unnecessary bias into their stories, but the culprit here is Dawkins’ attorneys. The attorneys leaked the info. The writers then wrote it because, as we see, it turned into a big story—lots of clicks, shares, and links. I understand why Dawkins’ attorneys leaked it, just look at how effective it was at distracting everyone, but they are the dicks to blame for dragging Wade through the wringer.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:04 pm to DontCare
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This will probably not be well received by some re: wiretap
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DontCare
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:05 pm to winkchance
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So how do they pick what coaches they wiretap
I don't think they wiretapped the coaches. They were following the middlemen. Coaches just got caught up because they talked with the people whose phones they wiretapped.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:07 pm to winkchance
quote:They target the bagman
So how do they pick what coaches they wiretap?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:07 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:Yep.
I don't think they wiretapped the coaches. They were following the middlemen
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:15 pm to DontCare
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The attorneys leaked the info
Exactly, and its entirely possible they leaked only portions of that info. Especially the ones that make Wade look guilty, we have NO IDEA if the rest of that recording contains verbiage of Wade saying things that completely make this a non-issue, the back half of the recording could be Wade explaining in detail what this offer is. It could be him reading a grocery list. Who knows?
The point is, only a portion of the tape was leaked and the irresponsible MEDIA ran with it and published it. Don't tell me they don't have an agenda here. They are after the scoop, the clicks, they don't stop to think about the credibility of their source...if it sounds good publish it. They may potentially be ruining a man's career over this. Which would lend credibility to Wade's statement of "the tapes don't reveal the whole story"
Imagine if you were ordered not to talk about an FBI investigation and then some asshat released only a portion of evidence that made you look really really bad, would you want to tell the whole truth? Of course you would, but what if you had been forbidden to?
What if you currently knew you were innocent and that the "leak" was bullshite but you also knew that if you talked before being given the green light by the investigation would get you in trouble?
What if Wade knows he's clean but is not speaking because if he does, he will get himself into trouble. What would you say? I would say "The tapes don't tell the whole story, please reserve judgement until all the information has been released" Sound familiar?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:20 pm to HoopyD
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-Wade cant discuss with his employers because then that becomes discoverable in the court case. Not meeting with you employer when asked to do so in any scenario generally frowned upon. Cant blame Wade for not doing so but also can't blame LSU for what they did.
Agreed, what LSU did makes sense for the immediacy but, if they extend this suspension into the SEC Tournament and NCAAs, it'll start to come off as an admission of guilt and essentially beg the NCAA to investigate them and impose sanctions. That being said, given the gravity and complexity of the situation legally, I'd prefer LSU be more understanding and accommodating to Wade and not quick to suspend though refusing to meet with superiors when requested or demanded constitutes a fireable offense so they more than likely made the correct decision in this regard if the suspension only amounts for one game.
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-Wade just can't simply artfully explain away the language on the wiretap. I know there's a lot of amateur Perry Masons on here but testifying under oath in a federal case is a big deal. If its proven his testimony is untrue (and unlike NCAA, Fed govt has subpoena powers to prove things are untrue) he could face perjury charges.
The alleged wiretap segment published without link, context or physical evidence purportedly occurred two years ago. Given the nature of being a high-profile college basketball coach and the communications necessary to represent competence on a daily basis, it's not too likely Wade remembers the specifics of a conversation like this without the provision of context to refresh recollection and avoid possible perjury, so outside his initial statement upon receiving the suspension, mum should be the word for him until he reaches a courtroom on this and anyone with a functioning brain should accept and appreciate that.
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- Wade can't just plead the Fif. You have the right against self-incrimination but that only pertains to criminal activity. Paying for recruits isn't criminal activity; it's a NCAA no-no. You also cant say I plead the Fif because if I do testify I'm going to lie and that could lead to perjury. Doesn't work that way.
Hopefully it doesn't reach that point for him when he takes the stand pursuant to direct and cross, would not reflect too well, we shall see
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:28 pm to Gutsandbutts
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I would imagine that a federal subpoena in a very broad and high profile case like this one would include a gag order of some kind. Maybe it wasn’t just Wade’s attorney but the feds making him keep his mouth shut. Possible? Probable?
Gag orders usually restrict the parties from talking to the public (press, etc..) Wade is a witness and a gag order would not apply to conversations with your employer, etc..
Wade's testimony is being sought by the defense to blow a hole in the federal govt's charge that the defendants were bribing officials in steering players. Essentially, the defense is saying "everyone in complicit in this. It's not bribery when everyone is agreeable and willing participants". The feds would be happy if Wade was talking to the press because that would provide them with more ammunition to cross him up
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:56 pm to loopback
They “know” because everyone knows college sports (especially basketball and football) are corrupt as hell. They “know” because everyone knows that the highly recruited players in these two sports are all paid regardless of which college they end up going to. Everyone “knows” what’s going on.
What people can’t seem to get away from is that just because you “know” what goes on with these recruits, that doesn’t mean you have proof of what’s going on. That’s where people are making their mistake. They are mistakingly jumping from “I know players are paid” to “This is proof Will Wade payed players”. It’s not proof and him saying “i gave him a strong arse offer” would never convict him in court.
What people can’t seem to get away from is that just because you “know” what goes on with these recruits, that doesn’t mean you have proof of what’s going on. That’s where people are making their mistake. They are mistakingly jumping from “I know players are paid” to “This is proof Will Wade payed players”. It’s not proof and him saying “i gave him a strong arse offer” would never convict him in court.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:19 pm to J2thaROC
The more I discuss this and read opinions the more I think that this is all just a big nothingburger. There is no proof. No smoking gun. If there were concrete evidence why wasn't that "leaked" surely that's much juicer then the comments we've heard. This is all they have and I think it's a matter of complications around legal advice and paranoia.
Wade will be back. There's no reason to think it's over. Show me the proof and I'll change my tune.
The only way Wade is no longer our coach, is if the BOS and the AD make the call. NCAA is not a threat, neither is the FBI, sadly, our only real threat comes from the incompetence within.
Wade will be back. There's no reason to think it's over. Show me the proof and I'll change my tune.
The only way Wade is no longer our coach, is if the BOS and the AD make the call. NCAA is not a threat, neither is the FBI, sadly, our only real threat comes from the incompetence within.
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