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re: This Picture says a lot about our "fans."

Posted on 11/20/08 at 7:51 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95643 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 7:51 am to
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Agree, but the point is it hasn't happened only at LSU.


We can't control what happens in Tallahassee, College Station or anywhere else, unless we play a road game there. We can and do control what happens in our stadium. No it's not criminal and it's not a sin, but we shouldn't pretend that is isn't what it is - "fairweatherness", for lack of a better term.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 7:51 am to
Could someone in here list for me the Stadiums they REALLY BELIEVE would've remained full last Saturday under the exact same circumstances??

I mean hell, I woulda stayed cause that's me but seriously. Name another team out there who, in the same circumstance, woulda had a full stadium.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8154 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 7:57 am to
Also, it's not like we suck this year, we're still a top 25 program, and we'll go to a big bowl if we start firing up the team and cheering our asses off!
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95643 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:01 am to
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I mean hell, I woulda stayed cause that's me but seriously. Name another team out there who, in the same circumstance, woulda had a full stadium.


I don't think Virginia Tech empties out like Tiger Stadium. aTm would have remained full. The service academies, heck probably even Notre Dame. I don't know how Michigan or Ohio State are about games like that, but I suspect Ohio State doesn't empty that quickly. I mean come one, 4 touchdowns down with 8 minutes left is understandable. But leaving with nearly 20 minutes of football left, and "only" down 4 touchdowns to Troy is inexcusable.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:20 am to
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Bottom line is, "my dollar = my choice" If I choose to Boo, I will BOO!!!!, if the product is Sooooo bad that I can't take it, I will leave.
That is 100% inconsistent with the notion of being a fan.

What you have described is a pure merchant arrangement: you invest money and time in exchange for what you describe as "the product"; an amount of entertainment exactly equal to or exceeding the value of your investment. Just like you would at a movie, concert, or grocery store. If the only considerations are the monetary investment by you and the value of the entertainment you receive, then the relationship lacks the emotional element which is required to meet the definition of the word "fan".

In order to be a "fan" or "supporter" of something, one must have an emotional investment and/or commitment to that thing. I would walk out of a movie if it was not entertaining enough to me, but by the same token I would not consider myself a "fan" of the movies. To be a "fan" or "supporter", a person has to feel some emotional obligation to "do their part" or some similar sacrifice that goes beyond what they are rewarded in pure entertainment value. The fact that administrators, merchandisers, advertisers, etc., have exploited that emotion for profit does not change the fact that it is still present and still the basic prerequisite for a "fan" or "supporter".

If you feel like you are entitled to entertainment value equal to or exceeding your investment of time and money, that is certainly your perogative. But if you feel that entitlement validates booing the team, leaving early, or refusing to attend, it defies the very nature of being a "fan" and instead embraces the role of pure customer.

"Fans" and "supporters" feel the desire to be there even (if not especially) when things are not going well (i.e., when the entertainment value is low) because they can help support the team when the team most needs support. They feel this despite the investment of money and time because for them the relationship is more than simply customer and vendor. The notion of "getting their money's worth" does not dictate their behaviour because the emotional attachment and commitment to their role as "fans" factors in their decisionmaking.

And as for the "correct" way to "demonstrate your displeasure with the product on the field . . . ," if you are viewing the game as simply a "product" then the answer is obvious: stop buying it. If, on the other hand, you do feel that emotional attachment that defines a "fan," then the answer is in part equally obvious: booing and leaving are clearly not the best ways because that has the opposite effect of supporting the team. The best ways are the same as in most other relationships that are not traditional customer-vendor relationships: call the AD, write letters and emails to the coaches and administrators, hell even write your congressman. Better yet, if you can find the time and opportunity, show up at the AD and/or coaches offices to complain about the problems. It won't interrupt their work because serving you, the "fan," is their job. And the more "interruptions" they suffer as a result of the poor performances, the more motivation they have to fix the problems. I guarantee if Joe Alleva has 92,000 upset football fans show up at his office to complain, he will get the message.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:28 am to
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I don't think Virginia Tech empties out like Tiger Stadium. aTm would have remained full. The service academies, heck probably even Notre Dame. I don't know how Michigan or Ohio State are about games like that, but I suspect Ohio State doesn't empty that quickly.
Have any of those schools ever trailed a Sun Belt team by 4 TDs?

I would never in a million years condone the idea of "fans" leaving early because the team is struggling, but if you're going to make a comparison you have to make it legit. If you can find another BCS conference team that has ever trailed an SBC team (or equivalent low- to mid-major conference team) by 4 TDs, then you can compare Tiger Stadium last Saturday to that team's fans.

Posted by cobrew
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2007
1445 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:31 am to
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King Joey


Posted by cobrew
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2007
1445 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:34 am to
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Unfortunately, most of our current "fans" weren't fans 10 years ago, therefore they behave like bandwagoners.


This statement is VERY true. my tailgate had only 40-50 people there saturday. We had close to 200 for the bama game. I keep trying to explain to people that being fan means watching ALL the games, not just the big ones.

someone else put it best when they said LSU has two types of fans.... fans of LSU and fans of winning
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:45 am to
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we got thumped by every decent team we played.
So is 27-21 in OT getting "thumped" to you, or do you believe Bama is not a "decent team"?

Posted by tigersgeaux
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
225 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:35 am to
:beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: the poor horse is dead!!!!!

You are going around and around fighting about this. Nothing is going to get accomplished. The majority of those griping weren't there in the first place. It's getting oldddddd. move on. Ole Miss is next.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95643 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 11:27 am to
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Have any of those schools ever trailed a Sun Belt team by 4 TDs?



Joey, that's got nothing to do with it. You don't quit on a team. Like I said - if there's 8 minutes left and 4 touchdowns (crazier things have happened, but very unlikely), but to start leaving during halftime? Just after halftime? That's just not any sort of acceptable fan support.

Certainly Notre Dame has has recently trailed smaller schools, by significant margins, and I am unaware of any similar exit, early in the second half. Obviously aTm and the service academies have suffered significant defeats in front of full home stands. If fan support is purely contingent on winning, (and at LSU winning big), then I am well within my rights to call that *support* "fairweatherness" and/or "bandwagonism", (the former term I claim to have coined as recently as today).

Posted by LSUNO
the NO
Member since Jan 2007
875 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 11:43 pm to
I can see myself in that picture. In a glob. I love it.

I refuse to leave games because I love my Tigahs.

If you left, you DEFINE fairweather fan. Accept it. Excuses are like assholes....

Whether you want to admit it or not, we are a weakening fan base. I'm tired of getting texts from friends that went to other SEC schools making fun of LSU about our fans leaving early--whether it's during UGA or Troy. There's no response. It's a fact, our fan base has been on the decline for years.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17501 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 9:08 am to
Bump...

While people are complaining about the fans leavin early, it was not long ago where this horric shite happened.

Let's not sink to that level again.
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