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SammyTiger
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
Really bringing something to the table here Lester.

Ensminger is a Studrawa level OC.

Change my mind.
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SammyTiger
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
I am Saying our OL in 2012 didn’t look ornplay as well as they did in 2013,

And you’re giving Turner the gift of hindsight. He was not a pro bowler in 2012.

Turner is great but he was also a RE Freshmen in 2012. The next year he was much better but he still wasn’t a 1st rounder.

He just kept improving, plusnhe was like 19 in 2012.
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LSU GrandDad
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
2008 OL was the worst I've seen. played Washington in game 1 of the year and squeeked by on stellar defensive play.


BayouCowboy
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
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We returned 3 starters in 2012. 1 got hurt. 1 quit the team Halfway through the season. We then lost our starting RG to concussions.

And we were still smart enough to fire our OC.

Sometimes it’s maybe both a bad OL and a Bad OC.

I agree and that's a logical assessment to go along with a drop in RB talent, WR inexperience and a 1st year QB that got here this summer.

An elite OC may have been able to get good productivity this season. A very good OC could have made this unit average to above. An average to below OC trying to figure it out as the season progresses gets you what we have.

We will have a great mix of talent and experience in 2019, but I fear their potential won't fully be utilized without big changes in the offensive staff.


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Oilfieldbiology
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
Ooof. I didn’t realize it was hat sub par


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Mayhawman
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
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2008 OL was the worst I've seen. played Washington in game 1 of the year and squeeked by on stellar defensive play.
whut? 1983, 2009 2012, vs udub, and closest contest was 8 points.


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thunderbird1100
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
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And you’re giving Turner the gift of hindsight. He was not a pro bowler in 2012.



He was really really good, you're trying to revise history to suit your argument here.

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Turner is great but he was also a RE Freshmen in 2012. The next year he was much better but he still wasn’t a 1st rounder.



He was very good BOTH years. IT's not like he took some massive leap in 1 year, he was starting as a RS fr. because he was THAT good.

Look man, I've been watching us like a hawk since maybe the late 90s/early 00's, this year's OL is EASILY the worst I can remember. 2012 even makes this line look really bad.
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SammyTiger
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
So are you saying we had this amazing Ol in 2012?

Because we didn’t.

Turner was good in 2013 but he was still only 2nd team ALL-SEC and a late 3rd rounder.

In 2012 he didn’t play like either. Is turner very good? Yes. He’s a beast and makes LSU proud. Did his play in 2012 or even 2013 indicate that he would be that good? NO. It did not.

He was a starting RS Fr because Williford got had to retire because of concussions.

We gave up 33 sacks this year

We gave up 32 in 2012.

We lost our LT for 12 games
Our RT for 7
Our RG for 7

We bitched about not protecting Mett, how Mett was a statue, how ournoffense sucked

We just didn’t give Stud a pass because we knew he was a dud.

Ensminger is a dude.
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BayouCowboy
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
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We gave up 33 sacks this year

We gave up 32 in 2012.

I would attribute some of that to Mett's lack of mobility.


SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
My big point is that we didn’t blame all the players and say Les needs to go get more talent.

We shitcanned Stud and had one of the best offense LSU has ever had the next year.
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BayouCowboy
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
Stud was a stop-gap. I'm pinning my hopes on SE being the same. I don't think even the hard core supporters see him as a long term solution.


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SammyTiger
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New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
Honestly, here is my opinion.

O sees E as the having done a good enough job in 2016, and the just need players.

And that’s concerning because what E did in 2016 was run a healthy Guice instead of LF7 with a majorly sprained ankle, and play teams with rushing defenses in the 100s

It also concerns me because we have to get past the point where we think just executing better will beat good defenses. They’re also trying to execute, and if you just try and go head to head with them you’ll have an issue.
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mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
The Oline in 2018 was clearly worse than 2012.


SammyTiger
LSU Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2009
28410 posts

re: This OL is no worse than 2012
In what way?

Because it’s so clear?



TigerBert
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
It's the Tackles that MOSTLY are below part.


SammyTiger
LSU Fan
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
The guards and center aren’t that good either


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dukke v
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
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2013 we moved everyone around and got a new OC and wow everything looked good.


Having A real good QB and a great RB and two excellent WR'S made a big difference when comparing these two different teams... Think about it........


SammyTiger
LSU Fan
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Member since Feb 2009
28410 posts

re: This OL is no worse than 2012
So Mett, Hill , Beckham and Landry werent there in 2012?

Oh yes
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koLSU86
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re: This OL is no worse than 2012
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Collins was obviously better than a Brumsfield even as a Sophmore.


Collins was better than Brumfield is now before he left high school. Brumfield is just not good. I still don't know why he was playing over Hines. We were better on the left side of the line when Brumfield was out injured.


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