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re: This avalanche of good news for LSU football bodes well for the LSU program

Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:23 pm to
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:23 pm to
I merely posted one fact—namely our SEC record was better in 2017 than it was in 2015. I said nothing of it being acceptable. And I certainly did not pay O on the back for it. If you want my opinion of 2017– it was a disappointment and missed opportunity. The standard should be and in my book is 10 wins. So don’t push a “lowering the bar” or “patting O on the back” for 2017 as my agenda. That dog won’t hunt.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93959 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:24 pm to
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Just 20/20 hindsight after the hire is used to judge the employment of Matt Canada? 

Aren't the merits of every season judged when it's over for every team?
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:32 pm to
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t doesn’t matter how it looks the day he’s hired. The hire is based on results

Careful there Justice, you are opening the door to an argument that O was a good hire and excusing Alleva for the hire.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:36 pm to
I would say not yet. But, if Ensminger does a good job and the offense is what we think it can be, you will have a great point if this team can make a NY6 bowl.

Eta: NY6 bowl is too lofty of an expectaction for this discussion. 10 or 11 wins, preferably for a few years.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:38 pm to
I wasn’t talking about E... I was saying O—“if it doesn’t matter how it looks on the day of the hire”
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:39 pm
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24558 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:38 pm to
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LSU went 2-4 vs teams over .500


You know what is worse?

The LSU head coach didn't do anything at all to change that fact. He didn't try to get a transfer QB and new kicker or OC to try to improve on the 103rd rating in the nation inside the red zone.

Nope he just stayed status quo and now LSU will have to pay for it.

By the way, this is "Rantardism" at the finest. Someone starts a thread about the avalanche of great news recently and you have the same idiots jump in and cry and whine about last season. Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!

Keep up the good work guys. Don't pay attention to the avalanche it won't affect you. Ha ha Ha Ha !!!
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93959 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:42 pm to
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I wasn’t talking about E... I was saying O—“if it doesn’t matter how it looks on the day of the hire”

I realize that. I'm saying that O needs this OC hire to be successful in order to say that he is indeed a good hire. He needs to win 10 games and as I said preferably sustained over a few years.
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
2144 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:44 pm to
Gotcha. My warning was if you say, “it doesn’t matter how it looks the day the person was hired” then you excuse Alleva for the O hire.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93959 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:46 pm to
I can agree with that, if in fact it turns out that way.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:47 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:46 pm to
Didn't Aranda vouch for Canada? Wasn't that the original spin?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:48 pm to
No I’m responding to your argument about how great the season was last year

You keep celebrating 9-4 when the SEC was historically bad last year, to go along with two historic losses

O and staff deserve a lot of credit to win down the stretch but to act like it was a great season is absurd. It wasn’t horrible but not great.

O is making the right moves this offseason but it remains to be seen how this translates to wins and losses. Time will tell...
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 7:49 pm
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24558 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:53 pm to
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Didn't Aranda vouch for Canada? Wasn't that the original spin?


He was the only person at LSU with any experience with Canada. He coached against him once or twice when Aranda was at Utah St and Canada was at Wisconsin. Then when Aranda was hired by Wisconsin, Canada was at NC St and Aranda bought Canada's house in Wisconsin.

So the story was that Eaux asked Aranda who the OC was that he had the most trouble preparing for. LSU hires Canada who was the only offensive Broyles Award candidate from the previous season.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39993 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:55 pm to
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O is making the right moves this offseason

I mean... maybe. Hes doing a great job on the recruiting trail. The 800lb gorilla in the room is the OC hire. I guess people have convinced themselves it’s going to work out.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93959 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:57 pm to
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Didn't Aranda vouch for Canada? Wasn't that the original spin?

Well, there's also that Canada was basically and/or "pretty much" forced on O as well.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24558 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:59 pm to
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No I’m responding to your argument about how great the season was last year


I don't remember saying it was great. Link???

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You keep celebrating 9-4 when the SEC was historically bad last year, to go along with two historic losses


Were you a drama major? Great, celebrating? What superlative will you come up with next?

I'm just saying that a first year head coach, playing over 30 true and RS freshmen with two freshmen starting and playing the majority of the snaps on the offensive line and the defense having true freshmen starting - Taylor, Delpit, Chaisson. It is not as horrible as the idiots here try to make it out to be.

Did you notice the transfer QB that LSU got recently? The two LSU starters that transferred from Tx Tech who will be making their first appearances in a couple months? The two other QB commits? The #1 rated CB in the nation that committed to LSU very recently? No?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24558 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:01 pm to
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I guess people have convinced themselves it’s going to work out.


Maybe some people were actually awake during the 2016 football season.
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
2144 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:04 pm to
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I guess people have convinced themselves it’s going to work out.

Reasonable posters are in the “wait and see” mode” on E as OC. But, as always, excitement builds in the off season. First game or 3 will either be a springboard or deal breaker.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93959 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:05 pm to
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Reasonable posters are in the “wait and see” mode” on E as OC. But, as always, excitement builds in the off season. First game or 3 will either be a springboard or deal breaker.

Church
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24558 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:19 pm to
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Reasonable posters are in the “wait and see” mode” on E as OC. But, as always, excitement builds in the off season


Well this did happen not that long ago.

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However, his most recent stint with the Tigers yielded unqualified results: over the final eight games of the 2016 season that Ensminger served as interim OC in place of Cam Cameron, LSU’s offense:

*increased scoring from 21 points per game to 32 — scoring 38 or more in five of the eight games Ensminger called

*increased yards per play from 5.7 to 7.1

*set a school record for total offense in a conference game (634 yards versus Missouri)

*set two different individual school rushing records (Leonard Fournette vs. Ole Miss and Derrius Guice vs. Texas A&M).

The reason this holds value is precisely that it doesn’t sit in a vacuum. Whether the offense should have been that good or not, 2016 LSU football team wasn’t going to put up those numbers under Cam Cameron. They weren’t even going to come close.


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However, taking the point further regarding the 2016 offense versus better defenses, let’s use Bill Connelly’s opponent-adjusted advanced statistics:

*under Ensminger, LSU’s average offensive percentile performance — i.e., a measure of how well a unit performed compared to an average college offense, adjusted for defensive quality — increased from 41 percent to 73 percent. That means the Tigers improved from a unit that was barely in the top 60 percent of all 130 FBS teams to one that was in the top 30 percent.

*LSU’s average offensive percentile under Matt Canada in 2017? 54 percent, with an S&P+ ranking of 42. In 2016, the Tigers finished 22nd in offensive S&P+, counting both Ensminger’s and Cameron’s games.

There is no credible way to deny, at any level, that Ensminger improved LSU’s offense over his stretch of running it.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54652 posts
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:23 pm to
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Well this did happen not that long ago.
he called some good games using Cameron’s system. He was shut out against bama and the red zone offense against an injury depleted Florida defense was bad.

I’m curious how his system will look and if he can consistently put up points against good defenses. I’m pulling for him to succeed. Nobody loves LSU more than Steve Ensminger
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