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re: This avalanche of good news for LSU football bodes well for the LSU program
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:31 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:31 pm to UpToPar
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If he does those three things this year, I would be on board.
Those are the expectations I have. I believe the talent is there. The SECW is down as well
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:33 pm to RedTigerRulz
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No....besides Ree doesn't appear to need any help with yall today.
You think the guy claiming Jimbo had "No competition" while at FSU is making good points?
Ok then.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Good on you for stating your expectations and holding Orgeron to them. I can respect that.
I would be happy if he could accomplish those three things this year.
I would be happy if he could accomplish those three things this year.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I would say it is. Winning gets you a top ten finish.
The defense will be top 5 most likely. Just need the Oline to be solid
Yeah we've just got a different opinion of what is elite. Agree to disagree there.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
once someone asked what traits you would look for in a HC
I listed
Young,
SEC ties
Experience at a P5 school
Offensive minded
Good recruiter.
And I was Like frick that’s Dabo. This was like 2012 before he really went on a runs, but the building blocks have always been there for success.
I listed
Young,
SEC ties
Experience at a P5 school
Offensive minded
Good recruiter.
And I was Like frick that’s Dabo. This was like 2012 before he really went on a runs, but the building blocks have always been there for success.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:38 pm to UpToPar
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Good on you for stating your expectations and holding Orgeron to them. I can respect that.
Fans have to. If not apathy sets in. I'm excited as hell, like every year, until something happens to temper me expectations
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If the talent is there he's got as good a chance as anyone not named Saban. There are no other elite coaches in the SEC
So you think Orgeron is equal in talent to every other HC in the league not named Saban?
To you there's an elite class of coaches and then everyone else is lumped in together?
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:45 pm to SammyTiger
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And I was Like frick that’s Dabo
Dabo was a WR coach who went 19-15 his first two seasons plus interim gig. His third season was sub 500, very few people thought he would make it.
Dabo was a hellacious recruiter but it took him 3 seasons to get there. That's about where Orgeron is, with better talent so I'm expecting to see a payoff this year
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:49 pm to Goldrush25
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So you think Orgeron is equal in talent to every other HC in the league not named Saban?
I think his team has the talent. Absolutely. Orgeron doesn't have to win anything
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Orgeron doesn't have to win anything
That’s an odd statement. I don’t want to take it the wrong way, so can you explain?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think his team has the talent. Absolutely. Orgeron doesn't have to win anything
Every team we need to beat has approximately the same level of talent. Bama, Auburn, UGA all have same level or better talent, and I anticipate UF, TAMU will join that list in short order.
When the talent is more or less equal it's the coaching that has to carry the day. There is no escaping that inevitability in the SEC. He will have to coach his way to a championship. He won't out-talent his way there.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:57 pm to Goldrush25
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Every team we need to beat has approximately the same level of talent. Bama, Auburn, UGA all have same level or better talent, and I anticipate UF, TAMU will join that list in short order.
When the talent is more or less equal it's the coaching that has to carry the day. There is no escaping that inevitability in the SEC. He will have to coach his way to a championship. He won't out-talent his way there.
I think this is a good point, but I'd modify it slightly.
It's more like:
Bama/UGA
-Small Gap-
LSU/AU
-Small Gap-
TAMU/UF
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:58 pm to Goldrush25
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it's the coaching that has to carry the day
I've seen nothing that suggests he's worse at game day stuff than Miles
His clock management is better.
But unlike you, I'll kind of let the season play out instead of fear and anger ruining my season
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think his team has the talent. Absolutely.
I think LSU now has the overall talent to compete with Alabama. In past years, LSU always lacked something on one side the ball or the other. Burrow will bring balance and legitimacy to the LSU Offense, the LSU Defense will bring the heat, suffocating and discombobulating other offenses.
LSU's best overall talent may be in 2018, it's young and old, but I wouldn't consider Burrow young, he's seasoned in my opinion.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've seen nothing that suggests he's worse at game day stuff than Miles
Why is Miles your point of comparison? You realize he got fired, right?
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But unlike you, I'll kind of let the season play out instead of fear and anger ruining my season
I thought we were having a rational discussion. I'm not angry, nor do I have any fear. I'm just going by what Orgeron's demonstrated thus far, limited coaching skills, and that's being kind. Do you see something that he offers strategically or is it faith that he'll somehow turn into something he's never been his entire coaching career?
I don't think being limited as far as strategy goes is a fatal flaw, so long as you have the self-awareness to yield to those whose expertise trumps yours. Orgeron has shown an unwillingness to yield in the past, and we have multiple examples to point to. That's his fatal flaw, his pride, a desire to prove that he knows more than he does.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:02 pm to Goldrush25
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You realize he got fired, right?
He also won a few SEC championships
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've seen nothing that suggests he's worse at game day stuff than Miles
A lot more goes into coaching "carrying the day" outside of game day. But, if you want to just use game day, look at the beginning of the Troy, State and Auburn games to see that the team wasn't ready to play. I guess it could be argued that is also a function of game week prep.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'll kind of let the season play out instead of fear and anger ruining my season
Who gets angry on game day?
And who’s in fear?
Pre season concerns, maybe, but isn’t that what we’re discussing?
The only thing that should ruin a season for anyone involved is losing.
Other than that, everyone should be excited for LSU football.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:04 pm to TrueTigerTale
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LSU's best overall talent may be in 2018, it's young and old, but I wouldn't consider Burrow young, he's seasoned in my opinion.
If the offensive line shows the stuff they did towards the end of last year it could be a fantastic season.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:06 pm to TigerLunatik
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A lot more goes into coaching "carrying the day" outside of game day.
The more st important thing Orgeron can do is make sure the players are prepared and on the same page.
A good part of that will be in Aranda hands. Without him, I'm not as hopeful
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