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re: There is a generational divide when it comes to LSU football.

Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:20 am to
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:20 am to
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All you know is winning. You don't have patience. You don't have the perspective that comes from years of sucking. So what do you do? You act as though a loss to Mississippi State represents an existential crisis. It's not.


Dude when you are on top of the mountain or close to the top you don't expect or want to fall to the bottom. Nobody should want complacency.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
17021 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:20 am to
I have been around as long as you, dumbass.

In the Associated Press all-time rankings of college football programs, LSU is ranked eleventh. That's pretty lofty and fans should expect more.

Slipping back into mediocrity is entirely preventable and making every effort to avoid that is justifiable--if we can overcome the inertia of idiots like you.

Tell me again--why are you O-apologists so desperate to change the narrative from winning championships to "rebuilding"?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36221 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:22 am to
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From the Mid 1950's until Archer year 2 LSU was a top 10-top 15 program


Wrong.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18319 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:24 am to
LSU was less Alexander and Lawrence then Herron.
TN and FL may not be as good as MsSt on defense.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
21312 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:24 am to
I've been through both.

It was a 30 point fricking loss.

Stop with these dumbass "I'm old and I know LSU football more, so I can accept it better" shite threads.

There wasn't a message board for you to expose your anger during the 90's, now you act like you were perfectly calm back then. GTFO
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84894 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:28 am to
If you accept mediocrity thats all you'll ever get.

Do you know what separates Alabama from other big time programs? They don't have any more resources than an LSU has. What they have is that they DEMAND excellence.
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7140 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:30 am to
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Wrong


Not wrong. From 1958-1988 LSU was in 22 bowl games & had exactly 3 losing seaaons. That is a Top 10-15 program.
Posted by TigerFan4040
Member since Sep 2013
4386 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:32 am to
quote:

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems in the moment. Good times will come back around.



Agreed. The glory days will be back soon enough. In one way or another.
Posted by GeauxDoc
Highland Road
Member since Sep 2010
2548 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:32 am to
I go back the the Cholly era and have been right there with you through it all but I see things a little differently. While only some of us remember the "dark ages", almost all of us on this board experienced the glorious 2000s together and our two championships. For myself anyway...I just don't agree with the attitude that "we sucked in the past" means were are relegated to that again we should all just accept it and wait for the next savior. I'm sorry but Spears is right. Right now LSU is a middle tier college football team and program. Why should any of us be complacent or satisfied with that? JMO.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10097 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to
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Nothing is ever as bad as it seems in the moment. Good times will come back around.
Where was this sentiment after 2 last minute losses to arguably better programs in '16.
The coach who is a proven destroyer of programs gets a pass over one who has best W% in LSU FB history, won LSU a NC and played for another? Brilliant.

Very few fans would've supported the firing given premonition of Orgeron as the replacement.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3212 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:39 am to
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You act as though a loss to Mississippi State represents an existential crisis. It's not.



I too am one of the old timers... Going back to the early 60's watching LSU play.

I agree with you in some ways, a single loss is not in and of itself a crisis. My concern is much more strategic, in other words my concern centers around the closed door, backroom decision making that happens (at most institutions...) and the results.

The short version of my concern is that outward signs indicate our decision makers have us set for a Archer/Hallman type tenure not a Saban/Arnsbarger type.

I am not with the "get your torches and pitchfork" crowd to get our pound flesh crowd. It remains to be seen how Coach O and this team will respond to this loss. My concern is ultimately focused on King/Alleva and the influencers that I am not familiar with.

Posted by cheesey
Member since Mar 2004
279 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:56 am to
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Nothing is ever as bad as it seems in the moment.


Completely untrue. Sometimes things are worse than they seem in the moment.

Maybe O is bigger than the moment. Don't know yet.
Posted by bellewr
wichita falls, tx
Member since Dec 2008
417 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:56 am to
McClendon's downfall was when the NCAA put its first limits on scholarships in the 70s. He had some powerhouse teams in his 18 years in BR..he also had some "dog teams" that I remember. As Saban does now, the Bear did then...he would raid Louisiana...but, I digress. When the continuity of Mac left, the death of Bo Rein, and the up and down seasons of Jerry Stovall, LSU football suffered for about 9-10 years until Arnsparger. He started recruiting well, gave us the Fightin Tiger spirit again and we won by putting a better than expected football team...then the Mike ArcherCurly Hallman experiment..Dinardo first 2 years were GREAT!! His last 2, not so much. Then "His Sabaness" arrived and turned "Raised the Titanic" of football at the flagship. Now, remember, it wasn't all wine and roses to begin with. Yes, he turned the attitude around; Yes, we won the Peach Bowl (but lost to UAB during the regular season); hell, in 2001 when we lost to Ole Miss at home and were, what 3-3 in the SEC, he mentioned that after the game his daughter asked him on the way home were they getting ready to move again...well, we know what happened; we ran off with the SEC Championship by beating TN in the 2001 SEC Championship game and beat Illinois in the Sugar Bowl. 2002; lose opener to Va Tech; run off 6 straight and then Saban allows Mauck to play late into the Fla game after the victory was assured and Mauck breaks his foot. Hello Marcus Randall and other than the Bluegrass Miracle that year the rest of the season was average (got our asses handed to us by Bama 31-0 at home that year). Not going to bore you with everything but wrote this little LSU football pamphlet to say this....don't lose the faith!! One loss!! Come on guys!! Just like UAB in 2000, FIRE SABAN!! Ole Miss in 2001, FIRE SABAN!! It took him time to turn the ship around. Miles inherited the bridge and got off course late into his watch and now Orgeron is on the bridge...let him have a chance...I'm done. Thanks for reading
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
17021 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:59 am to
Well, they're coming out of the woodwork.

Summarizing succinctly all the bullshite of the OP and many others, some other posters and I have been proven right.

A significant part of this fan base--and a significant part of the BOS-- is okay with mediocrity, because now "we gots a corch dat tawks lak us, sha!"

To them, it was never about Miles.

And that weasel Alleva couldn't be happier because his job is more secure, when his seat should be on fire.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:00 am
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
62191 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:00 am to
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BS. I sat through Cholly and Curley and have no patience with this shite when it is obviously going to decline further before it gets better.

The administration is to blame for not transitioning away from Les faster and then for the process that brought us Ed O.

I have been through the bad times before and never want to go back, which is exactly where we are heading. The evidence is right in front of you.




While I wasn't old enough for Charlie Mac, I agree with your statement 100%. I was around for some seriously low seasons in the late 80s through 1999. The reason for my melt since November 2016 is I have seen what a subpar coaching hire can do to a program.

Tennessee, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan (until they lucked into Harbaugh), Miami...

I unfortunately see LSU joining that list in the near future.

Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:00 am to
I sure hope a lot of these posters don't throw in the towel and hope for the worst at work or at home.

Everyone is disappointed. But its disturbing to sense on Sept 19 so many posters here (now in reality its a small percentage of overall fans) are now hoping LSU totally implodes this year with a few more blowouts.
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22507 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:13 am to
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BS. I sat through Cholly and Curley and have no patience with this shite when it is obviously going to decline further before it gets better.

The administration is to blame for not transitioning away from Les faster and then for the process that brought us Ed O.

I have been through the bad times before and never want to go back, which is exactly where we are heading. The evidence is right in front of you.
Exactly right.

I am 68 and sat through all those same years and because I did, like you, I can clearly see where the current trajectory is taking us. I don't like it. I don't want it.

And this simplistic nonsense notion somebody else just tried to float, that this is a generational divide is beyond ridiculous. Those who are complacent about this turn of events are people who apparently can't learn from history. And these are the ones who have always lead the way back into mediocrity.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:15 am
Posted by TigerSaints318
Shreveport
Member since Dec 2009
1797 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:17 am to
I noticed the generational difference when I talked to my grandfather after the game. Me and everyone I had talked to were pissed off. When I talked to my grandfather he says "Well, sometimes these things happen".
Posted by Tigris Christi
Member since Jul 2016
1829 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:20 am to
quote:

All you know is winning. You don't have patience. You don't have the perspective that comes from years of sucking. So what do you do? You act as though a loss to Mississippi State represents an existential crisis. It's not.


Posted by Tigris Christi
Member since Jul 2016
1829 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:26 am to
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quote:
From the Mid 1950's until Archer year 2 LSU was a top 10-top 15 program


Wrong.



How about Top 15 ALL-TIME

Broken down by decade:
#24 in the 50's which included crap teams in the early 50's.
#7 in the 60's
#17 in the 70's
#18 in the 80's
So yeah I'd conclude LSU was approximately a top 15 team from '58 to '88.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:41 am
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