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re: the win/loss history of interim coaches in CFB
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:33 am to 7nette
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:33 am to 7nette
quote:its amazing the lengths people here will go to just to insult Orgeron.
In a resume you look at previous experience within the field. If someone got fired from an engineering job and then worked as a waiter for the next 2 years
so hes been the coaching equivalent of a "waiter" now, is that it? not the guy who helped build this team, not the guy who brought in Key over a weekend, not the guy who brought the LSU Dline back to life, but a "waiter".
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:40 am to MastrShake
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not the guy who brought the LSU Dline back to life, but a "waiter".
He's the best waiter at IHOP though. Does that help?
If we can allegedly go out and just grab the best OC/DC every two years after they leave for HC positions under Orgeron what makes you think we can't do the same for position coaches?
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:47 am to MastrShake
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what Orgeron is doing as a HC is incredibly difficult and exceedingly rare.
I agree
but this is probably the most talented team on that list and O's USC team is probably the 2nd most talented team on that list.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:59 am to cas4t
A couple of posters asked for interim to permanent HC successes.
If we consider top 25 or so programs, which means Purdue and Vanderbilt don't count, and neither does Georgia Tech, then the only two interim coaches which have been hired full time in the past 25 years were successful.
Dabo Swinney at Clemson and Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. None of the other coaches were retained.
If we consider top 25 or so programs, which means Purdue and Vanderbilt don't count, and neither does Georgia Tech, then the only two interim coaches which have been hired full time in the past 25 years were successful.
Dabo Swinney at Clemson and Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. None of the other coaches were retained.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:02 am to Tiger Phil
quote:Helton at USC. i think thats the only other one.
Dabo Swinney at Clemson and Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. None of the other coaches were retained.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Can we stop pretending O was 25 when he was coaching Ole Miss? The man was 44 years old when he took the reigns at Ole Miss, and from all accounts acted like a god damned idiot. Not a 20 year old, who when they are an LSU football player our fans repeat about how they are adults and about how irredeemable they are...but a fully grown as man. Keep in mind, this was after he was supposed to have gotten his shite together after his issues in Miami.
This is so overblown. I get what he was trying to do there.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:06 am to MastrShake
You may as well give up trying to convince some of these guys. They see "interim" and can't get past it. They want the name brand because they feel inferior without it. Fisher is having the same type problems at FSU right now that Miles had at LSU.
Some people just need the horse on the shirt.
Some people just need the horse on the shirt.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:17 am to serge storms
I like the changes and energy CEO brings to LSU. If this team keeps winning, then LSU would be hard-pressed to not give him the job next season. Let's just wait and see how this season plays out. This stretch of games will be very revealing.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:30 am to Number 31
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I get what he was trying to do there.
I don't mean just the asinine stuff with wanting to fight his players to show them how tough he was. I'm talking about the stories of him dealing with reporters when things were going bad. Like I said...people certainly change both in terms of their job performance and personality. But at 44, personality changes that enormous are pretty rare indeed. As of now, O has had to face ZERO tough questions from reporters, zero tough questions from fans. He's the super cool substitute teacher that's made class easier and more fun and everyone is currently happy. MAYBE that's exactly how he'll be when things go bad...and things always go bad at some point for everyone. Maybe...
I'm not hanging this around his neck as the sole reason or anything...just that I find it a bit funny that fans that are eager to hand things over to him act as if he was some troubled teenager acting out and finally got his shite together rather than a hot headed 40 something unable to control himself in tough situations. I think there are plenty of better reasons not to consider this move, but for those not moved by the "interim does not equal full time 24/7/365 head coach" argument it's really a non starter.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:39 am to MastrShake
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Helton at USC. i think thats the only other one.
correct. and the jury is still out on that one...
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:56 am to GeauxTigerTM
We should know soon enough how CEO handles stress and tough situations. The toughest stretch of the schedule is in front us.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:58 am to MastrShake
Has zero bearing on our situation. Not even in a superstitious kind of way.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:11 am to MastrShake
quote:
its amazing the lengths people here will go to just to insult Orgeron.
When making a hire you have to make note of what the person did in his past when performing job functions which most closely resemble those he is being hired to perform and I don't just mean playing games.. That's not trying to insult him, that's simply how it works.
How much weight do we give his Old Miss gig results since it was 10 yrs ago? I don't really know, but I would think it would be as much, if not more, than him going 3-0 vs. the competition we have faced to this point.
Anyway, all of this will play out on it's own in the month of Nov. No sense any of us getting worked up now.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:13 am to MastrShake
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what Orgeron is doing as a HC is incredibly difficult and exceedingly rare.
What Orgeron is working with is incredibly talented and exceedingly rare.
He is taking a top 3 talented roster, with the most experience in the nation, and an elite DC to wins over 3 teams with losing records.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:23 am to TheCaterpillar
True. The good thing is that under his guidance LSU has beaten those 3 like a good team should. Not ready to crown him as the next coach-- but so far, so good.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:36 am to releauxded2469
quote:this right here is the number 1 problem with many people on this board; you think recognizing a problem is the same thing as solving it, you think having an idea is the same thing as executing it.
Ive known for years that the problem was Les Miles coaching and offensive philosophy
it isnt.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:05 pm to MastrShake
Really solid post man
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:12 pm to MastrShake
He has beaten 3 teams with a combined record of 10-14. Lets wait until the end of the season to have an honest assessment of his performance.
November will test the metal of this team. Hope he goes 7-0.
November will test the metal of this team. Hope he goes 7-0.
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