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re: The Unfortunate Perception of Ben Simmons...
Posted on 3/15/16 at 11:14 am to JWill409
Posted on 3/15/16 at 11:14 am to JWill409
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All there is to it, and he still continues to love the school no matter what.
I honestly have a hard time believing that any player who goes to LSU to play basketball for one year and barely attends class gives an actual frick about the school. I seriously doubt Ben Simmons loves LSU.
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:03 pm to Choupique19
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So you're saying he's not a "once in a decade", "best prospect since Lebron" type player. Got it.
Once again, you're very uninformed about this game, and that's ok.
Most pure athletes, for example: Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin had VERY limited offensive ability in college and developed a shot in the league. Simmons has 3 things most NBA players will NEVER develop.
1. Off-hand ability...he's just as good with his right as his left.
2. Court Vision/Basketball IQ..he see's the floor better than any college prospect I've ever seen
3. Athletic Ability for his size...great ball-handler, great speed for his size
That's why he's going #1
Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:08 pm to JWill409
"He chose to come to LSU because of the pressure"....
Please tell me you're joking. That is definitely the most ignorant thing I have ever seen someone post on the interwebz, ever....dear lord dude, gtfo
Please tell me you're joking. That is definitely the most ignorant thing I have ever seen someone post on the interwebz, ever....dear lord dude, gtfo
Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:09 pm to Kracka
And you saying Ben loves the school. Ben couldn't care less about LSU. That showed all year through his BS, pissy attitude and no want to take games over and win them for his teammates and SCHOOL.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:14 pm to JWill409
Are you related to Ben? I hope you are and that's why you're defending him so much on this thread.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:15 pm to JWill409
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Most pure athletes, for example: Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin had VERY limited offensive ability in college and developed a shot in the league.
Disagree. Those guys have IMPROVED their jumper in the NBA, but they all had at least some kind of jumper to begin with. Simmons has ZERO, and I mean ZERO jump shot. He'll have to "develop" one from scratch. That's pretty rare.
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1. Off-hand ability...he's just as good with his right as his left.
correct, for dribbling. But for SHOTS at the rim, he almost exclusively uses his right hand (85% of the time, or whatever that stat was). Even when he drives left, he still shoots right-handed, and it's often an awkward, off-balance shot. Very, very odd.
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2. Court Vision/Basketball IQ..he see's the floor better than any college prospect I've ever seen
3. Athletic Ability for his size...great ball-handler, great speed for his size
he seems to have good court vision but, again, it's because he knows he can't shoot so he's looking to pass. And saying it's better than any college prospect ever is a bit over the top.
Athletic ability and speed for his size - I'll agree with you on that. He's spectacular.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:24 pm to atltiger6487
I think we all agree with the many posters saying that although his stats were great, Simmons did not produce a result in games that would be expected if a superstar. I think we all expected that a number one pick would translate into being a top 5 college player rather than maybe a top 100 player in relation to effecting the outcome of games.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 2:44 pm to geauxtigers456
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he doesn't like oceans
WHIFF... Clearly right over my head. Can someone explain this line to me since I'm apparently so dense?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:09 pm to JWill409
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Chandler Parsons...who was/is primarily a shooter..lolz
Is that what you think he is? Ok man. It's not like I've watched almost 2 full seasons of his game on local tv.
He prefers to slash first, has good finishing skills, but no killer instinct yet.
He is a plus passer at the SF positions and considers himself a playmaker.
He's long, and a willing defender, but doesn't offer much I terms of face-up D.
His 3pt prowess is largely overstated. He's 27 now, so of course his % is better than when he first came in the league, but shoots between 50%-70% FT for career, depending on the season. ( He shoots below avg from 3 pt line & FT line.)
You should check yourself b4 calling out ppl who know more about the subject than you.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:30 pm to ShreveportTiger1987
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Are you related to Ben? I hope you are and that's why you're defending him so much on this thread.
Not related to Ben, but I'm defending him because he has every right to be defended. If you got the same exact production from him, but we won the SEC, no one would be saying anything. This is a team. They had many flaws, but the only ones that get pointed out are Ben's which is ironic because he was the most productive player on the floor, if not in the country.
You can't possibly tell me he won't develop a shot in the NBA. His confidence in his shot primarily is what holds him back. Go look at his high school games. He could knock it down, nothing special, but he has touch and good shooting form.
He's so bad defensively, but yet he lead the team in steals and was primarily the only player that blocked his man out underneath. Everyone else was ball watching, that's why he accounted for like 40% of the TEAM'S total rebounding. That's ridiculous. It's crazy to me how you can't see that this unit was extremely undisciplined. Even Ben at times, but that's all a reflection of the leader. It's beyond me how you will give other kids a pass, but crucify another. Zero leadership. Blame Ben? No, thats on JJ. Sorry. The kid produced, like it or not.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:40 pm to AjaxFury
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You should check yourself b4 calling out ppl who know more about the subject than you.
The Chandler Parsons comparison is a bad one. I watched him for several years with Florida and Houston. He considers himself a playmaker, but no one else does. He's trash and I'm glad we didn't give him the money he wanted in Houston. He built his game in Dallas around getting to the rim, because it is his role in the offense. Lots of ball movement in that offense, which forces the defense to rotate and creates a lot of driving opportunities. In Houston he was a spot up shooter in the ISO/Pick and Roll. A corner specialist if you will. 2 different roles, not even close to comparable players.
A young Boris Diaw I could agree with. Chandler Parsons...lol
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:46 pm to MustWin
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I think we all agree with the many posters saying that although his stats were great, Simmons did not produce a result in games that would be expected if a superstar. I think we all expected that a number one pick would translate into being a top 5 college player rather than maybe a top 100 player in relation to effecting the outcome of games.
What he needed was someone to help him take the pressure off offensively. Blakeney was supposed to be that. He wasn't until late. Hornsby was before he got hurt. Main reason for failure this year was defense. We could fill it up with the best of them, just couldn't defend. Probably some of the worst defense I've seen at LSU, and you were blinded by the bad defense the last few years because of Mickey and Martins shot blocking ability. We don't have that this year, so we were exposed.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:49 pm to JWill409
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he still continues to love the school no matter what
Sorry not feeling the love. What exactly has he done to show his love for this school? Admit that he may have contacted an agent early?
Come on man. He hasn't really done anything to hurt the school (yet) but let's not act like he'll go down as one of the greatest and most revered alumni ever. He's not Shaq.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:51 pm to JWill409
So a 6'10 SF, who loves to be a playmaker ...is long, and shoots below avg at the FT line is a bad comp?
Ben has Better handles, but at this point, there no way you can easily say he comps closer to James, than Parsons.
While Diaw is a nice player, if his career turns out like his, it will be a MASSIVE disappointment.
For the record, Houston WANTED to resign Parsons, then add Gasol at $15M/Yr, but Mavs added an escalator that made his contract untradable and they backed off
Ben has Better handles, but at this point, there no way you can easily say he comps closer to James, than Parsons.
While Diaw is a nice player, if his career turns out like his, it will be a MASSIVE disappointment.
For the record, Houston WANTED to resign Parsons, then add Gasol at $15M/Yr, but Mavs added an escalator that made his contract untradable and they backed off
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:03 pm to alumni95
quote:I believe one of the classes he took was an oceanography class.
he doesn't like oceans
WHIFF... Clearly right over my head. Can someone explain this line to me since I'm apparently so dense?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:11 pm to Scoob
Listening to the radio this morning, it suddenly hit me what the deal is with Simmons. I think Jay Bilas was talking about competing, etc.
Ben is not a competitor. He's a performer. He steps on the court to do his thing, get HIS numbers, and that's it. He's not into the moment, he isn't trying to win, he's trying to put on a performance, and we are supposed to be wowed by it. That's been his MO from the moment he got here, and probably before that too.
That's fine if you are on a winning team, but I don't watch sports to see an individual put up numbers on a losing team, I watch to see them win. I'm more about the gritty kid who gets 10 points, all during crunch time because his team needs him, than I am about some guy who thinks he is the best player while his team keeps losing.
Ben is not a competitor. He's a performer. He steps on the court to do his thing, get HIS numbers, and that's it. He's not into the moment, he isn't trying to win, he's trying to put on a performance, and we are supposed to be wowed by it. That's been his MO from the moment he got here, and probably before that too.
That's fine if you are on a winning team, but I don't watch sports to see an individual put up numbers on a losing team, I watch to see them win. I'm more about the gritty kid who gets 10 points, all during crunch time because his team needs him, than I am about some guy who thinks he is the best player while his team keeps losing.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:43 pm to JWill409
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but the only ones that get pointed out are Ben's
Here's your problem. This team had many problems starting at the top. I don't know many people blaming all of the season on Ben. I believe that most people are putting most of the blame on the head coach, but are simply pointing out that Simmons is not without faults.
You have come in here claiming that Ben did everything you can ask of a kid and none of LSU's failures have to do with him. That is false. He played a role in those failures as well.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 5:54 pm to Scoob
Thx scoob... That clears it up
Posted on 3/15/16 at 6:01 pm to JWill409
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Second, I don't know how you expect an 18 year old kid who is forced to go to college, and months away from being a multi millionaire, to go to class.
The same way a professional goes to practices, practices in their off times, meetings, charity events, etc.... DISCIPLINE
no matter who you are or where you're at, I truly believe you're NEVER bigger than the game itself or your program/team...
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 6:26 pm to MustWin
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I think we all agree with the many posters saying that although his stats were great, Simmons did not produce a result in games that would be expected if a superstar.
His efficiency/stats were greater than any other 1 and done player to date. That includes Anthony Davis, John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Jrue Holiday...the list goes on...that's what I'm trying to explain. It's very untypical for a college player to average 20 11 and 5..and you are trying to make it seem like superstars in the NBA put up these ridiculous numbers in college and they don't.
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