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The Unfortunate Perception of Ben Simmons...
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:52 pm
Shows exactly how ignorant the majority of our fan base is. The kid has been very professional throughout this whole process of a disastrous season. We ruined it for him. All there is to it, and he still continues to love the school no matter what. People have been telling him he should have went to Kentucky(which at this point he should have) and he doesn't regret anything by choosing LSU.
By the numbers, he is the most efficient 1 and done player to ever live. THE BEST EVER
Can someone please explain to me what more he could have done ON THE COURT this season, or in any particular game to be exact, to get us in the tournament?
By the numbers, he is the most efficient 1 and done player to ever live. THE BEST EVER
Can someone please explain to me what more he could have done ON THE COURT this season, or in any particular game to be exact, to get us in the tournament?
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 1:22 pm
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:57 pm to JWill409
he doesn't like oceans
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:57 pm to JWill409
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Can someone please explain to me what more he could have done this season,
Go to class.
Not publically announcing a very likely NCAA rule breaking incident by having an agreement with an agent for over a year.
There's two things he could have done.
Other than that, I don't care what the perception is.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:58 pm to JWill409
You're gonna get crucified, but I agree. He had little around him and an inept coach. 20/12/5 isn't good enough for he fanbase. Hopefully he doesn't hold a grudge against the school like many will hold against him.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:00 pm to JWill409
Nobody hates the LSU programs, LSU coaches, LSU players and LSU administration more the LSU FANS.
That is the one constant in the sports world that will never change. See football, basketball and baseball season threads for examples if needed.
That is the one constant in the sports world that will never change. See football, basketball and baseball season threads for examples if needed.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:00 pm to JWill409
In my opinion the kid was robotic. His dad was his coach, make no mistake. What Coach Jones promised the family we may never know. The team was cancer ridden from the beginning. As a longtime amateur hoops coach, I sensed it from the start. It's time to get a real basketball coach.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:01 pm to SouthOfSouth
I have no idea what the class thing matters. Andy Katz had a long segment about how LSU dropped the ball because they weren't aware of it. It's reallllly easy for us to sit here and say a kid should go to class when he's get multi million dollars waiting in the wing.
And he did go to class. Last I checked he wasn't ineligible so it didn't affect LSU AT ALL.
And he did go to class. Last I checked he wasn't ineligible so it didn't affect LSU AT ALL.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:02 pm to JWill409
Cowherd was just talking about how LSU bball is not set up to handle a star. He was bigger than the program. LSU football can handle stars but the bball culture isn't there. Mediocre coaching and jealous teammates were the reasons he used. And Shaq was a different era and stayed 3 years.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:05 pm to tigerpimpbot
It was a shitshow from the beginning, but it was hardly Ben's fault. He went out there and put up numbers every damn game.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:08 pm to LSUButt
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And he did go to class. Last I checked he wasn't ineligible so it didn't affect LSU AT ALL.
Will likely drop our APR and the perception of LSU with Simmon's ineligibility for end of year awards.
Brought an OBVIOUS locker room issue to the public's eye when he had to sit out the first 4 minutes of the Tennessee game...
You can say all you want about Simmons not needing the class, but it is still COLLEGE BASKETBALL. And when you sign on to play, you make a promise to the coaches, players, and fans to be a student and an athlete. If Ben wasn't willing to comply with that sentiment, then he should have played overseas for a year then jumped to the NBA.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:21 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Go to class. Not publically announcing a very likely NCAA rule breaking incident by having an agreement with an agent for over a year. There's two things he could have done. Other than that, I don't care what the perception is.
I'll fix it. "On the court"
Let's face reality, every player coming out of hs almost always have agreements with agents. It starts when they are about 15 years old in the AAU Circuit, I know first hand.
Second, I don't know how you expect an 18 year old kid who is forced to go to college, and months away from being a multi millionaire, to go to class.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:24 pm to JWill409
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the majority of our fan base
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ruined it for him
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throughout this whole process of a disastrous season.
What in the hell did the fan base do to ruin a season that is objectively disastrous in its own right?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:25 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Not publically announcing a very likely NCAA rule breaking incident by having an agreement with an agent for over a year.
When did he say this, I must have missed it... I know there is speculation, but hopefully he is not actually saying this was fact
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:26 pm to SouthOfSouth
The APR deals with eligibility to play basketball...not awards. He clearly was playing. He was clearly eligible after the Fall semester. He is now dropping out and most likely getting all of his grades in his current classes dropped. I'm pretty sure we all knew Simmons would leave prior to the end of the spring semester...so how does this change anything?
He brought that up by sitting himself out? Or Johnny brought it out? To this day we have NO IDEA what was really going on. They say "Academic Issues", and every announcer and fan in the country thought that was ridiculous. Was it something else? Who knows. It could have been a cover up for other issues.
Yea, it's COLLEGE BASKETBALL. So I'll ask again...did Ben Simmons miss any games because he was academically ineligible? Not sit out 4 minutes for a random punishment that wasn't very clear...but miss games because he did not make the grades? Last I checked, he passed his classes. If the NCAA and LSU states that you need a 1.8gpa to play, and Ben got a 1.8...then his "promise" you speak of was kept.
80% of college athletes do not care about academics. Almost all don't even have the money that he is guaranteed. Ben was here to play basketball and remain eligible. Both of which he did. LSU's season was a disaster, and the fans want to point at anyone and everyone. There's enough blame to go around, but Ben not being eligible for awards he was not going to win anyway is not one of them.
He brought that up by sitting himself out? Or Johnny brought it out? To this day we have NO IDEA what was really going on. They say "Academic Issues", and every announcer and fan in the country thought that was ridiculous. Was it something else? Who knows. It could have been a cover up for other issues.
Yea, it's COLLEGE BASKETBALL. So I'll ask again...did Ben Simmons miss any games because he was academically ineligible? Not sit out 4 minutes for a random punishment that wasn't very clear...but miss games because he did not make the grades? Last I checked, he passed his classes. If the NCAA and LSU states that you need a 1.8gpa to play, and Ben got a 1.8...then his "promise" you speak of was kept.
80% of college athletes do not care about academics. Almost all don't even have the money that he is guaranteed. Ben was here to play basketball and remain eligible. Both of which he did. LSU's season was a disaster, and the fans want to point at anyone and everyone. There's enough blame to go around, but Ben not being eligible for awards he was not going to win anyway is not one of them.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:30 pm to yaherrdme
Ben Simmons said nothing. Someone is his camp probably told a reporter who then went from there. But shite, lets just say Ben is announcing it so it makes the kid look worse.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:36 pm to LSUButt
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20/12/5 isn't good enough for he fanbas
Its not all about stats. He was the least clutch "superstar" i've ever seen. Completely disappeared in the final minutes of close games. He and darcy probably shot the same fg % from outside 8 ft. He did not like to get back on defense. If he was back on defense, he would often completely move out of the way to let the other guy score. How many times was he on the outside on a fastbreak? Hardly ever! God forbid somebody else runs the point on a fast break and gets a highlight assist. On offense, a lot of his time was spent directing people where to go so he could make his next no look pass. And going on tv saying he is the best player, no matter how bad the team played that night probably isnt this best thing for team chemistry.
Sure he did some great things and the coaches are to blame for letting all this get out of hand and letting the season turn onto a circus, but lets not act like he was just this humble team leader who gave it his all every trip down court. I know you watched games, so you should know better than to say bullshite like 20/12/5 isn't good enough for the fanbase.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:38 pm to JWill409
Ben has moved on. Let's all do the same.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:38 pm to LSUButt
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There's enough blame to go around, but Ben not being eligible for awards he was not going to win anyway is not one of them.
I guess I didn't really answer the question which was what could he have done to get us into the tournament, which honestly is nothing. I see myself as a guy who is almost always one to give a player the benefit of doubt but this one is a head scratcher for me. I'm just glad the season is over.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:42 pm to JWill409
on the court, yes, he had big stats. But they were hollow and empty.
With only a couple rare exceptions, he never seemed to put this team on his back and make big plays when we needed them. I think, in large part, this is because he knows his offensive game is VERY limited, and he's not the type to demand the ball with the game on the line.
So yes, his stat line is great, but it didn't translate to anything. Certainly not victories. The numbers were just "there" but, in the end, not meaningful. I had to look closely to confirm he was on the court, because he didn't affect the game the way a superstar should.
Also, his attitude. When I initially saw him stoic on the court, I thought it was great - he was humble and not a showboat. But over time, I realized that it was actually apathy. He was coasting emotionally.
With only a couple rare exceptions, he never seemed to put this team on his back and make big plays when we needed them. I think, in large part, this is because he knows his offensive game is VERY limited, and he's not the type to demand the ball with the game on the line.
So yes, his stat line is great, but it didn't translate to anything. Certainly not victories. The numbers were just "there" but, in the end, not meaningful. I had to look closely to confirm he was on the court, because he didn't affect the game the way a superstar should.
Also, his attitude. When I initially saw him stoic on the court, I thought it was great - he was humble and not a showboat. But over time, I realized that it was actually apathy. He was coasting emotionally.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:42 pm to T
There are 5 people on the court. When there was someone attacking Ben, I wanted him to get out of the way. So we'd rather Ben pickup fouls so thy don't get easy buckets, then we have Epps or Darcy out there. Sounds fantastic.
He also ran out wide many..MANY times. But everyone sank off because they didn't want him to get an alley oop
He also ran out wide many..MANY times. But everyone sank off because they didn't want him to get an alley oop
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