Started By
Message

re: The Unfortunate Perception of Ben Simmons...

Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

There are 5 people on the court. When there was someone attacking Ben, I wanted him to get out of the way. So we'd rather Ben pickup fouls so thy don't get easy buckets, then we have Epps or Darcy out there. Sounds fantastic


did you really just say that you were ok with simmons moving out of the way and letting guys score when ever they wanted to?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28272 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

on the court, yes, he had big stats. But they were hollow and empty.

With only a couple rare exceptions, he never seemed to put this team on his back and make big plays when we needed them. I think, in large part, this is because he knows his offensive game is VERY limited, and he's not the type to demand the ball with the game on the line.

So yes, his stat line is great, but it didn't translate to anything. Certainly not victories. The numbers were just "there" but, in the end, not meaningful. I had to look closely to confirm he was on the court, because he didn't affect the game the way a superstar should.


Can we please put this stupid-arse notion to rest. Without Simmons, LSU wouldn't even have had a prayer at the post-season or a winning record in the SEC. Without him they get crushed by Marquette and N. Florida (two games he absolutely took over). Vandy is a loss; @ Alabama is a loss; UGA is probably a loss; the first Ark game is a loss. LSU is not even a .500 SEC team without him.

Plus, even if we accept the notion that he "never made big plays" on offense, who the frick was going to rebound for this team if it wasn't Simmons? Victor who was ineligible for the first two months and who constantly kept himself on the bench with foul trouble when he was eligible to play? Robinson who somehow can't hang on to the ball to save his life? Malone, who boxes out well but literally forgets to go after the rebound? Epps who get muscled out on the inside? Bridgewater who is at a 6" height disadvantage?

Simmons' individual effort kept LSU in a lot of games they had no business being in. I keep seeing everyone say "this team wasn't that talented". bullshite! Their individual talent was the only reason they won 12 SEC games. Jones just basically rolled the ball out there an stood on the sidelines just watching the game unfold just like the rest of us. There was very little plan or structure to anything LSU did. It was 5 individual players trying to make 5 individual plays.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18749 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:42 pm to
Unfortunately he just didn't wow even with those great numbers. I was at LSU when Chris Jackson and Shaq were playing so for me I was expecting that kind of a run. I know he's a one and done but that's where my expectations were and he didn't touch those guys for excitement and emotion. Great double double numbers don't always equal great basketball IMO. Good luck to the guy
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:49 pm to
He's soft.

Though he has the ability, he will not attempt to take over a game.

He's a horrible shooter.

He's the bizarro-Chris Jackson.

LSU Basketball would have been better off without him.

He's a weak defender.

The eye test shows he doesn't really doesn't care about whether his team wins or loses.

Posted by Britgirl
Ascension
Member since Jan 2013
1176 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:39 pm to
Agree absolutely
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34012 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

Mediocre coaching and jealous teammates were the reasons he used


mediocre should be changed to abysmal
Posted by Brbengal
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
1368 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

he had big stats. But they were hollow and empty.


What was hollow & empty was the performance and support from the players and coaches around him.

The only other player that was a scoring option was Hornsby, who was 2nd on the team in scoring and only played in 20 games.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 5:54 pm
Posted by The Pretender
Member since Dec 2014
158 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:09 pm to
He could've worked on his jump shot and some post up moves to start with. He could've been more aggressive instead off looking to make cute passes when baskets were needed. He had the most quiet stats I've ever seen. He didn't really seem to have much of an impact on most games.

JJ is not a good coach, but BS does not get a free pass.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1142 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:17 pm to
What you guys don't realize is this kid IS NOT A PROLIFIC SCORER. He is not going to take over a game, unless he gets the damn ball on the block or he gets fouls called attacking the rim.

Let's start with the number of times he was posted up, which in most cases was a mismatch, and our guards would stand there with the ball and look him off? Saw it countless times per game.

How about the times our guards would rebound the ball and not look to him in transition because they wanted to push the ball up the floor themselves?

You wanted him to put up 40 a game? The kid is a natural born facilitator. He makes others better, and we were so bad he only averaged 5 asts a game. Can you imagine what his numbers would be if his teammates would've actually taken good shots? Might have averaged a triple double. Really.

How does he not get a free pass when you're asking an 18 year old kid to play outside of his game? You let the kid play his game, and you orchestrate an offense around him that works to his strong suits. He will do the rest, it's pretty simple. We didn't have the coaching staff or the selfless supporting cast to do it. The numbers were record breaking. I don't understand how they were silent. HE BROKE RECORDS.







Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19049 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

We ruined it for him.


You are drunk on the BS love potion. How many times did Bennie put the yoke on and pull that plow for good ole LSU?? When you come off that drunk take a look at the other players who were up for the POY AA honors and see how many times those players dug down deep in crunch time and pulled it out for their team.

quote:

Can someone please explain to me what more he could have done ON THE COURT this season, or in any particular game to be exact, to get us in the tournament?

He put up some great numbers but he could have learned to play defense, He could have pulled a miracle or two out of his arse like a couple of other AA's and won some crunch time games, or maybe he could have just been the leader in the huddle. His own teammates have said it was not BS that was rah rah'g the team on - it was pretty much Hornsby and TQ that did that.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 8:23 pm
Posted by ShreveportTiger1987
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2014
5494 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:22 pm to
Maybe show some fricking heart out on the court and play with some pride in the jersey he wore with LSU on the front. He showed ZERO killer instincts to just take over a game and win one for his team...not once did he do that. He doesn't give a crap about LSU. That showed through his attitude this whole season.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:23 pm to
Record breaking huh?
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1142 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

Record breaking huh?


Go find another player in conference history to be in the top 5 in points, assists, rebounds and steals...he's in that category.

By himself.

I don't understand how you guys can crucify a guy who prides himself on getting his team involved and creating for his team, and try to tell me he's playing for the name on the back of the jersey. Makes zero sense. You want to start pointing fingers look at Quarterman and Blakeney who took absolute atrocious shots, and AB was the worst passer I've ever seen for an all American. Extremely selfish player.
Posted by AjaxFury
In & out of The Matrix
Member since Sep 2014
9928 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:48 pm to
The hype machine is out of control. Had Simmons conducting players like Lebron when it wasn't even necessary because there was no play even run most of the time. It became odd.

I'm happy he chose to represent the Tigers, but I wish players would stop reading their press clippings and just play ball.

He's likely not going to be a Lebron James-type player. His comp is more likely Chandler Parsons, who is a good complimentary piece that can make a real impact in the starting 5, but is knot going to carry a team to a chip by himself in all likelihood.

Wish him the best, and it's time for the team to re-group and form a new identity
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61779 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

I don't understand how you guys can crucify a guy who prides himself on getting his team involved and creating for his team, and try to tell me he's playing for the name on the back of the jersey.


He played so that the name on the back of his jersey didn't look bad. When the games were tight, he didn't want the ball around the goal. He was either scared to take the big shot and look bad if he missed, or he was scared to get fouled and go to the free throw line where he shot about 45% for the last 7 games of the year.



How many times would this team go 3 or 4 possessions without a basket and everyone watching was like, "Okay Ben, you're the #1 pick, go and get LSU a basket", only to watch him kick the ball out to one of his teammates?
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55986 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:55 pm to
doesn't really matter...as soon as he becomes successful in the NBA, our fanbase will be slobbering all over his Johnson and talking about how proud we are of him and glad that he is representing LSU....
Posted by tigerbytail
slapout
Member since Mar 2016
527 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:58 pm to
the dude scored 20 but gave up at least that many for not playing Defense.
Posted by The Pretender
Member since Dec 2014
158 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:06 pm to
LOL! Who did he make better?

Posted by ShreveportTiger1987
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2014
5494 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:07 pm to
Choupique19, you're absolutely correct.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1142 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

The hype machine is out of control. Had Simmons conducting players like Lebron when it wasn't even necessary because there was no play even run most of the time. It became odd.

I'm happy he chose to represent the Tigers, but I wish players would stop reading their press clippings and just play ball.

He's likely not going to be a Lebron James-type player. His comp is more likely Chandler Parsons, who is a good complimentary piece that can make a real impact in the starting 5, but is knot going to carry a team to a chip by himself in all likelihood.

Wish him the best, and it's time for the team to re-group and form a new identity





Chandler Parsons...who was/is primarily a shooter..lolz


This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 9:09 pm
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 5Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram